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  1. mr.oneshot

    Any numbers regarding the size? I guess it’s close to the bellator, so maybe 5km?

  2. gorkmalork

    *blinks at update barrage*
    Sithspit, those turrets, running lights & hull paneling…though I remain curious about those big cavities flanking the forward cityscape. VIP hangar space? Protected tender/maintenance area for corvette-scale friendlies?

    • Fractalsponge

      Nah, just unfilled-in greeble pits. Expect it took very much like the Executor cityscape-hull armor transition. There will be a big ventral cavity for hangar ops. And it will likely be very big indeed.

      • gorkmalork

        If it’s shaped/placed/scaled anything like Executor’s, you’d definitely be hitting ‘able to haul its own frigate screen’ territory. Though that still wouldn’t quite hit the hangar-gape level of something like Anon/Concept Sketch #3, which I can only assume is some flavor of supercarrier.

        • Fractalsponge

          Yeah I haven’t finalized the shape yet. I think not full width hangar bay like the tower-less giant ship, which has to be a giant carrier. Probably will be split hangars like Assertor/Bellator, but much bigger triangular or trapezoidal plan apertures. Given that I plan for a relatively lower energy density, there probably won’t be a bulb either on ventral side.

          • gorkmalork

            There might be enough ventral space for a *smaller* visible reactor-bulb portion, but big split-trapezoid hangars sound neat. Still wondering if Anons 2 & 3 would work as complementary top-end CEC products.

  3. Steve Bannon

    That’s quite the sector-defense dreadnought there.
    All those DBY-827 batteries date this as a clone wars or before KDY design right?

    • Arvenski

      You know, when you realize that that thing carries the main battery armament of twenty-nine Venators (assuming I counted correctly), it really hits you what a monster it is.

      • Steve Bannon

        Probably a lot more than 30 Venators once you take into account those huge ball-mount trench guns and all the batteries on the ventral side, plus the MTL and maybe some ordnance tubes. I’d hazard a conservative guess of maybe a 70 Venator equivalent in terms of gunnery output, but with much fewer fighters, ground troops, and of course much less speed and range.

        • Fractalsponge

          Excellent guess! I’m targeting max single salvo throw-weight ~70-80 petatons. Similar to Bellator, but compared to that ship bigger to house a lot more fighters, troops, and EW and flagship equipment, and lower acceleration. Range is probably high though, given that it’s a line battleship, rather than a fast destroyer.

          • Steve Bannon

            There was some stuff in the old EU about intentionally limited range capital ships prior to the Clone Wars, which I found to be kind of hard to believe, but accepted anyways because I think it came from a Curtiss Saxton book. Regardless, the design is visually appealing as always. Any ideas on ion and missile tube armament for this latest murderwedge?

          • Fractalsponge

            I think the range thing was a deliberate restriction on hyperdrive range. But this must have been *per jump.*

          • Admiral Drakkmar

            This was due to restrictions placed on the military by the Ruusan Reformation. The Reformation effectively hamstrung the Republic military and focused on using jedi as peacekeepers. This is why the Republic needed to invest in a Clone army during the Clone Wars, since they didn’t have much in the way of a standing military. However, I am not sure why the Old Republic thought it was a good idea to dissolve their fighting force. Could someone please fill me in?

          • Eric Otness

            @Admiral Drakkmar: The closest thing to an explanation as to why the Old Republic dissolved their own fighting force, if the Wookieepedia article for the Ruusan Reformation is to be believed, was because, apparently, then-Chancellor Tarsus Valorum decided they wanted to make a show to the Republic that they were not to become a “conquering army”. Honestly, that idea of removing a standing army, not to mention the inherent reasons behind it, was just stupid, really, because there’s far more to having a military than JUST conquering things. There’s also stuff like defending territory and protecting people from threats both foreign and domestic and even enforcing law and order if needs be (and frankly, considering that their galaxy isn’t even the ONLY galaxy to exist in their universe as there are at least six other galaxies next door, and that’s not even counting the Yuuzhan Vong’s home galaxy, removing the military comes across as even MORE stupid in hindsight). In fact, the closest the Republic has to an actual military by that point was the Judicial Forces, which did an extremely bad job considering it couldn’t even enforce its laws banning slavery, let alone prevent an invasion by another party that was caused for trivial reasons (not to mention if anything actually let them continue their shipments for war materiel despite the obvious nature of the cargo due to their claiming that they were “binary loadlifters”). It was a pretty big mistake to remove the Republic Army, and if anything, it’s arguably a good thing Palpatine even restored some decency to the Republic even when he turned it into the Empire considering how the Republic was essentially lawless with very little, if any redeemable features to even justify restoring it. Granted, the Republic Military even back before then wasn’t much better if the Imperial Sourcebook series is to be believed, such as making the Army an overglorified police force with very little equipment for them to even do their job, and the Navy being stretched too thin, but at least there, the Republic actually HAD a military, which is still better than what they had post-Ruusan Reformation and pre-Clone Wars which was nothing. Sorry for the tirade, but it does come across as being pretty stupid, getting rid of their own army like that. I’m honestly surprised that the Republic even LASTED a thousand years due to that. I honestly think George Lucas messed up big time when he did the Prequel Trilogy there.

          • Admiral Drakkmar

            @Eric Otness

            Thanks for your input. At least I’m not the only one that thinks the Ruusan Reformation was a really bad idea.

          • Eric Otness

            You’re welcome. I also tend to get irritated that people equate even having a standing army at all to basically being conquerers or aggressors or, heck, even Nazis/Fascists. George Lucas’s upbringing during the 1960s, in particular the anti-war crowd, really seemed to show with Attack of the Clones where he made it seem as though the Republic never had an army until the Clone Wars and in particular Palpatine’s Military Creation Act, and Padme if anything tried to prevent the creation of a Military. In real life, the only country that I can think of that actually got by without having a military was Costa Rica, and even there, they have the Special Intervention Forces which do qualify unofficially as such. And it’s actually even more stupid that Padme would be against the creation of a military, since she of all people should have known what happened when a planet, let alone a galaxy, lacked a standing military (has she completely forgotten about the Invasion of Naboo and how easily they were forced to surrender to the Trade Federation, which wasn’t even a formal military but a paramilitary at best and at worst an irregular military?). I’ve seen similar stupidity being pushed by Hideo Kojima and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, and to some extent the Metal Gear franchise, as well. Or how Verhoeven seemed to conflate America with Fascists simply because we go to war. It’s a sore issue for me, to be honest.

          • Fractalsponge

            I’m generally agreed, but I’m dubious as to the degree of demilitarization post-Ruusan. I think the original navy was likely heavily mothballed, but authority and ships were devolved down to member-states. That’s the market Mandators and such were built for. Palpatine basically re-integrated all the member navies and then massively expanded that again to build the Imperial Starfleet.

            That said I think there must have been some core of heavy units available to the Senate, even if rarely used and parked near Coruscant almost all the time. Otherwise, Republic intervention would’ve been a joke to the Trade Federation, not something viewed uneasily.

          • gorkmalork

            I’ll admit to a twinge of deep annoyance whenever SD.net discussion swings in this meta-narrative direction that paints fans registering their irritation with the Imperial-ineptitude-at-all-levels brainbug as borderline baby-eating fascist and/or dictatorship apologia (though the ‘Palpatine totes wasn’t that bad’ crowd need a clue, make no mistake). Competently threatening antagonists hardly undermine a given story’s message.

            Anyhow, agreed that had the Reformation *totally* defanged the Republic, Palpy wouldn’t have bothered subverting it with the unwitting aid of a Separatist threat. He could’ve just led said Separatists in open conquest (possibly after recruiting any Senate assets deemed worth the while).

          • Eric Otness

            Yeah, fully agreed with that (well, okay, I’m not entirely sure I fully agree with your point on the Palpatine crowd. While I won’t say he’s a saint at all, I will say that I ultimately think he’s preferable to the Rebels now and these days, thanks largely to some statements Lucas made about who the Rebels and Empire were based on [let’s just say that Lucas at the time he wrote the first movie had contemporary events in mind and was more specifically rooting for the enemy, and leave it at that. Lucas’s revelations, especially when fully aware of the horrors the basis for the Rebel Alliance caused during and even after that conflict we were in, left me disgusted with them…].). And that’s another point: While I am impressed with Palpatine’s maneuvering himself into power, at the same time, I also noticed that Palpatine had no real need to do that, since, besides his force abilities, he could easily take out the Republic and take it over just by open conquest. I can understand him doing that with the Jedi, since let’s face it, the Sith were in near extinction, and he could not afford to fight them in open combat even IF he could handle them. But he didn’t need to do it with the Republic in itself. The whole “Ruusan Reformation” was just a bad joke that really showcased that Lucas has absolutely no concept of what a military is actually like, or if he does, he has utter contempt for it considering the movies implied the Empire became bad because they gained a military.

            And yeah, the bit about labelling people fascists for complaining about Imperial ineptitude or our thinking we need a standing army is definitely irritating. Ironically, considering those arguments, the lack of a standing army is probably the main reason why the fascists even got as far as they did, since Germany had been forcibly demilitarized by the Allies after World War I and the Allies also threw away most of their guns under the premise that there was no more war. Guess where that led to. And yes, competent villains don’t undermine a story at all. A lot of Disney villains were actually certifiable and very much competent threats.

          • Anonymous

            damn if this ship shot out 70-80 petatons I wonder how much the assertor can do.

          • Anonymous

            1000 PETATONS!?!? THAT’S LIKE 1 QUINTILLION (1 Exaton) !!!

          • Fractalsponge

            The reactor is scaled to 400x ISD main reactor volume, so, yes, 1 exaton. A simple up-scaling of an ISD by 10x length would give you 1000x power, or 2.5 exaton.

          • Anonymous

            Wow just wow at this point is basically a one ship fleet.

          • Anonymous

            Wait if the Assertor power output is 1 exaton and is 400x more powerful than the ISD then that make’s the ISD (or Imperial II) power output to be 2.5 Petatons! Holy crap and I thought it would be in a teraton range.

        • Anonymous

          Sorry for the caps but the numbers like that is insane to think about.

          • Anonymous

            Anyway with that number that makes the Executor 500 Petatons since the Assertor was 2X more powerful than the Executor right?

          • Fractalsponge

            I think Executor is probably a little under-powered for its size, since it spends so much volume on hangars instead of reactor, but feel like anywhere from 250-500 petatons is a reasonable guess.

          • Anonymous

            so if that the case then it basically a super carrier while still be a dreadnought right?

          • Fractalsponge

            Electronic Warfare. See also Electronic CounterMeasures (ECM), Electronic Support Measures (ESM), RadioElectronic Combat (REC).

          • Anonymous

            Alright i check out this electronic warfare on the Wikipedia (yeah it might be not reliable but i get what i want) and it was interesting and i bet this ship got the most EW out of all the ship right?

            Also since you said the Executor was around 1/4 – 1/2 of the Assertor’s power reactor would the Executor carry dual 720 HTLs as it primarily armament and quad 240 HTLs as it secondary like the Assertor or not?

  4. slowsmerf

    Would love to know your algorithm for doing all that panel work! Surely this can’t be done all by hand!?

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