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Dan

Weapons?

Jason Miner
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Absolutely wonderful
love this ship
i hope i can help you with this design

Lucas kulla
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Lucas kulla

Kinda reninds me off the mandator-class star dreadnought

Dan
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Dan

What weapons does this beaut have?

Valoren
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I count 345 DBY-827 heavy twin-turbolaser batteries, so roughly 45 Venators worth of firepower.

Spartan-919
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Spartan-919

That’s gorgeous

Soren
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Soren

Interesting design, very reminiscent of actual battleships in WWII too. She seems to be in the 7~9 km range in size, bordering the line between Battlecruiser and Dreadnought, Cool! 😀

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So what role is this ship does anyway because from the look of it with it’s venator main batteries being also it’s main, it’s 2 very large hangers and it’s 4 giant spheres which is range sensors so I guess it is generally a command ship right?

Ethan
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Ethan

What is the total personnel and vehicle compliment

Anonymous
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Anonymous

About those trench ball HTL turrets is it 175 teraton or 240 teraton?

Yoda
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Yoda

Love the engines and also how the shields are spaced out around the bridge.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Just an FYI: the super-sized domes are apparently long-range sensor/comm apparatus. Still plenty of those smaller sensor/shield combo ‘golf balls’, though, so you’re not wrong.

Hecatomb
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Hecatomb

Very nice precursor to the Executor. With those massive sensor/comm domes, I’m guessing this vessel acts as a command ship for war fleets and the policing of large sectors.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

How much more powerful is this ship than the Bellator?

Jackalope
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Jackalope

Fractal said that it was a ship of the line, meaning that it takes the beating while, while giving one hell of a beating back, without the drawbacks of damage, although it probably wouldn’t last very long (maybe an hour at most) since a shield of that magnitude would require vast amounts of energy, before sucking the reactor dry.

Jackalope
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Jackalope

I mean it already was, but if the ship had a concussion shield, it wouldn’t have to worry about tie fighter or even other ships during battle, and could focus on taking down its target.

Jackalope
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Jackalope

Since those Shield Generator/Scanner Domes are extra large might they have super powerful jamming equipment and even maybe, might be a concussion/planetary shield generator, like the one at Scarif, instead of just ordinary ray/particle shields. That would make this ship a boss.

Joel Szasz
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Hard to believe that they were making ships that large even back then. It’d be cool if you could one day do her in Republic livery, with red army markings.

I just have to say it: somebody must have been compensating for something when they actually made her. Maybe the Malevolent actually prompted the GAR to respond with their own supership. There could have been more ships like the Malevolent for all we know, assuming the Confeds had the resources to engage in such an arms race.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Oops, put that a few too many times, wonder why that happened?

Eric Otness
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Eric Otness

Probably a server hangup. Happened to me a few times as well.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

oops, put that twice.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It could be looked at as a scaled up version of the Venator, since its a carrier and a command ship armed to the teeth.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You could say that it’s an scaled up version of the Venator, due to it being a carrier and a command ship.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You could say that it’s an up-scaled version of the Venator, due to it being a carrier and a command ship.

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

If you want an upscaled Venator, check out Fractal’s Secutor, which actually retains the twin tower configuration, high speed, a DBY-827 main battery, and plenty of hangar space.

King of Alsakan
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King of Alsakan

Just incredible, very worthy of any of the individual planetary navies or PSF’s of the Old Republic

James
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James

very nice, only thing i would note is that the large bays at the aft end of the opening on the underside seem very exposed when looking directly at the ship from the front. might be better to have the forward edge come down a bit more to protect them. but as a dreadnought, might even be better to have dedicated shield generators aroudn teh opening. looks like a very exceptional design. seems like a very dense number of weapons compared to other star destroyer designs, so there would probably need to be more percentage devoted to power generation than… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Yeah, those ventral bays probably pack about the same proportional shielding protection as an Impstar’s ventral hangar cavity, with more armor preventing off-angle shots. Some more shielded plating around that area *could* augment protection, but anything this ship isn’t keeping its dorsal surfaces aimed at probably won’t breach its shielding unless ignored for a while.

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

I wonder if there might be a bayless Tector style variant of the Legator designed for pure battle line engagements, with proportionally fewer fighters, ground troops, and maybe smaller comm-scann globes. Legators do need something to lead in their role as Fleet command ships.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Wouldn’t mind seeing that, and it honestly has me wondering if a similar refit, adding more guns, shield redundancy & filling most of the main bay in with the exception of two destroyer-girth divots for fighters & shuttles, would’ve kept the Alliance’s captured Executors in Legends (Guardian & Lusankya) current with any Imperial Remnant threat short of Zsinj’s fleet while not utterly depleting the Republic’s snubfighter production lines.

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

If we treat Dark Empire as canon for Legends, no amount of refit was going to save the New Republic’s Executors from Eclipse superlaser alpha-strike, or getting picked off by the Galaxy Gun, or eaten by a World Devastator….. There’s just so much fanwank nonsense in the old EU that I’m happy it’s been erased, although the Orinda Campaign did show fleet engagements that made some sense.
The New Republic was probably pretty smart in not throwing resources at Star Dreadnaughts, and instead investing in Nebulas and Endurances, which now look cool thanks to Fractal.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

See, I’m not so sure about any of that. For one thing, pre-Disneyboot Eclipse’s mini-superlasers apparently lacked DS2’s off-axis capability, and that updated Guide to Vehicles & Vessels gave the damn things an utterly anemic thruster block. To add insult to injury, Eclipse II was outflanked by the Falcon (sure, main character shielding), a snubfighter fleet and a tertiary character’s Dreadnaught-scale antique, even with a Shadow Droid screen. As for World Devastators? Glorified snubfighter-scale foundries that probably needed the Byss fleet to kick in Mon Cal’s defenses in the first place. Galaxy Gun? Reliability of those interstellar cruise missiles (munitions… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

I can’t believe that I’m defending Dark Empire’s monstrosities, but let’s go down the list. On the Eclipse, there’s a panel in the comics of the Eclipse engine banks that looks much better scaled than the Vehicles & Vessels absurdity. If Empire at War was Legends Canon, then the Eclipse did have off-axis fire capability, which took down Annihilator at Kuat. It’s a pity we didn’t get to see it shoot at anything peer-sized in Dark Empire. Personally, I’m inclined to believe that World Devastators aren’t even close to being effective fleet units, but we’ve got a Gial Ackbar quote… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Bannon: Honestly, I consider Empire at War’s (and any 90’s) game mechanics about as pertinent to actual space combat as the Xbox games where one Rogue Squadron jockey wipes out half theHoth attack force or The Force Unleashed, where one super-apprentice basically pulls the Rebellion out of his ass: entertainment which presents about the same level of combat fidelity as WWII flicks starring John Wayne. Tyber Zann & his grade of meta-wank can disappear down that memory hole as far as I’m concerned. Ditto for Ackbar’s quote about the World Devastator’s capabilities, when he’s personally witnessed stuff like DS2 in… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Bannon I’ll also freely admit to having nursed the following scenario: Ackbar (or some equally skilled Mon Cal commander) skilfully helming Guardian against a pompous IR warlord type trying to blast him out of space with a Sovereign or Eclipse III’s main gun, trying to juggle gravity wells & shields while ruddering that slab of a ship’s bow around to vaporize the Alliance dreadnought that’s chewing apart her engine block. Meanwhile Home One and Bellator-scale battlecruisers, bomber wings and Impstar/MC80 formations of both sides swirl around the dueling titans, chewing at them and one another. Tell me that doesn’t sound… Read more »

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@Gork The Guardian and Lusankya had long and glorious careers in service of the NR, but they’re the exception to the mean. Out of the two dozen or so named Executors or so built for the Empire, I can’t name a single one that destroyed New Republic/rival warlord fleet assets equivalent to or greater to the resources it must taken to build in the first place. So many were lost to fighter attack, sabotage, capture, the force, or just beaten up by New Republic MC80s. (RIP Reaper) I never claimed that Star Dreadnaughts were in any way useless or obsolete,… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Whoops, accidentally submitted that anonymously. Darn.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Bannon Thing is, so many of the EU dreadnoughts were introduced & met their end in either computer-game sources or books heavily influenced by said games’ mechanics, e.g. the X-wing books…and even there, you have Zsinj’s Iron Fist & support tying up Solo’s fleet for months before pulling off a maskirovka gambit (which, granted, involved the bits of another Executor, but he *was* hijacking that one with, like, a dozen operatives) which bamboozled the NR right up ’till Leia & Han tripped onto Dathomir. As for the one I can recall involving Jedi saboteurs (Knight Hammer), there’s that narrative wank… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Iron Fist tied up Solo Command for a good while, but the precise makeup of Solo’s task force is known as a grand total of 3 Imperator line destroyers and 3 MC80 light destroyers along with a small screen of frigates and corvettes+an Immobilizer 418. The Iron Fist itself out-masses and outguns Solo Command by at least an order of magnitude, not to mention Zsinj’s destroyer escorts. When he had that level of conventional superiority to Solo’s squadron, tying up isn’t exactly a sterling performance. Executors are just so absurdly large and expensive that in order for one’s sacrifice to… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’d argue that in Iron Fist’s case, we chuck the exact book count for Solo’s command (*I* sure don’t remember them being that capital-impoverished), since Allston wrote that novel with WEG’s 8km ‘SSD’ stats in the first place. I also see no reason not to boost our estimates of post-Home One Mon Cal ships’ capabilities for verisimilitude, as oppose to making the 17-19km. flagship seem made of cardboard for the retroactive purposes of armchair X-wing jockeys. Who, lest I forget, commited a maximum-effort (2 wings) strike on Iron Fist after that ship had spent its time running through an asteroid… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Well if we’re arguing the merits of the Executors based upon the old EU, we should probably take specific task force counts literally, or otherwise we’d just be creating our own headcanons to argue around. While the 8km SSD brainbug was pretty prevalent in that era, I don’t think Allston would be stupid enough to just blindly go along with that assuming he has actually watched either ESB or ROTJ more than twice. Around this time the Mon Calamari are starting to build larger dedicated warships, but all of Solo’s cruisers were 1200m MC80s. At Levian two, Iron Fist wasn’t… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Bannon Considering the whole point of Allston & Stackpole’s novels involved catering to console fighter jocks (like I would’ve been at the time if we could’ve afforded a PC), at this point I’d consider fan headcanon like yours or mine as legit as anything-Fractal himself actually floated the possibility of those books screwing up the composition of Rebel anti-SSD task forces in an old SD.net thread, and I see very little to prove him wrong. As for 1.2-klick Mon Cals, Executors were ‘officially’ five miles for a couple decades, so occasionally such stats get fudged (though I doubt the Disneyboot… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

If you want to throw out some of the more egregious fighter-wank books, that’s fine with me. Let’s look at the movies then. From ESB, the Executor’s clearly got straight-line acceleration comparable to line destroyers, which is reinforced by Saxton’s ROTJ calculations. The interesting thing to me is that when Han’s strike team in the Tyderium waltz past one, they’re not surprised that an Executor is present, they don’t express any fear that it will rip apart Ackbar’s fleet, and they refer to it as a command ship, and not as a battleship/dreadnaught. Unlike the Assertor, Bellator, or Legator, the… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’d argue that theorizing too much about Executor’s speed/power/shielding balance based on Han’s lack of visible reaction to its presence at Endor & the Rebels’ original plans (hold off Imperial security cordon long enough to kill defense-compromised DS2 with fighter fleet and any capital-grade fire that might breach its armor) seems subjective at best. Hell, for all we know Solo’s strike team *and* 90% of the Rebel fleet would’ve been considered fair trade for the decapitation stroke that Palpatine’s presence on the spanking new murderstation offered. Sure, Big E’s usually not quite the optimal ship for a situation, but I… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Yeah, Endor has been debated into the ground over the years, so I won’t beat that dead horse. Against destroyer scale rebels, any Star Dreadnaught is probably overkill, but most of the fights that Executors get in are probably against other Imperials, who might bring a lot of heavy metal in the form of Praetors, Bellators, Mandators, etc. If you’re talking about overkill, why not talk about whole battle squadrons of Star Dreadnaughts which certainly exist? Azure Hammer had 58 capital ships, which maximalists like us interpret as Star Battlecruiser and up, and there’s the better part of a battle… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

So we have potential sources of internal strife for star dreadnought commanders to slap down, which is just what they wind up doing (and settling tons of personal grudges in the process) as of the Imperial Civil War. That’s one doozy of a punitive precedent Tarkin set up over Scarif, even if the non-disabled Impstar’s helm & HTL crews were all biting glit with the beachtroopers. Nice to get some confirmation that Devastator probably did most of the work upon arrival, even if I’d have been sorely tempted to sub in Executor (plus 15 more MCsomethings alongside Profundity) when CG!Tarkin… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Devastator’s hyperspace assault and Vader’s subsequent hallway scene was probably my favorite movie moment of 2016. I’m perfectly fine with the scale they went with for Scarif, as going too much bigger would raise questions about the presence of those fleet assets in the original trilogy, and make Endor seem less climactic. In both the old and Disneyboot canon, I’m fairly certain the Executor hasn’t finished shaking up by 0 BBY, and having Vader show up on the Devastator is pretty essential given how ANH starts 15 minutes later. Hopefully Rebels will show us something bigger than an Imperator soon… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Fair points on Rebels and R1, though a few bigger Imp or Mon Cal ships wouldn’t have struck me as out of place between ANH & ESB. Since recent eps have given Home One some cameos, it might indeed be time to show Thrawn or whomever on the bridge of a Compellor-scale cruiser. Good observations re: ROTS’ Battle Where Palpy Kidnaps Himself; I wonder if there isn’t some lingering prequel-disdain coloring forums’ lack of deconstruction vis-a-vis the OT. You gotta ponder whether clone crews & standard-procurement officers ever compared notes re: shifting rules of engagement & orders from the brass… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

As the Rebels gain more and more ships including 2.5-4km Home One styled MC80s, (although I don’t trust Rebels to not butcher scale) the Imperials might actually be outgunned if all they’re bringing to the table are single digit lines of Impstars. However, Thrawn is known for getting a lot done with small numbers of relatively light ships rather than just overwhelming the NR with battlewagons, and Thrawn’s writers are probably taking that into account, so we’re probably not going to see him on the bridge of a Bellator. Imperial crews are probably all over the place in terms of… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I get the impression Rebels’ writers may be a little too enamored with Tim Zahn’s WEG-influenced perception of naval scale (seriously, far as I’m concerned the Katana fleet is a late-Republic expeditionary force with customized picket Dreadnaughts as its lightest asset), so you’re probably right about Thrawn being stuck with Impstar-scale flagships. Perhaps some sector Moff who schmoozed their way into an intermediate-scale heavy might feature later on, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Offhand, I’d be sorely tempted to build local task forces around Compellor cruiser/carrier pairs with a dozen or so Allegiances for screening duty, and Fractal’s rendering… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

The curse of poorly thought out RPG sourcebooks continues to haunt us. Since we’re seeing Thrawn at the height of Imperial power, I don’t think they’re going to show us the Katana fleet. In a way, the limits on Imperial fleet assets is kind of a good thing. Since it’s a kid’s show, we can work under the assumption that the good guys are going to win every story arc, and not lose any main characters. Therefore, Imperial incompetence and stupidity must directly scale with the number of fleet assets they deploy in a fight. If some admiral shows up… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Weird thing is, the TIEs (with a little frigate support) have probably killed more Rebel transports & corvettes to date than any of those giraffe-necked Impstar renders. You’re probably on to something regarding Inverse Fleet Ninjutsu, though I could still see a season-end cliffhanger regarding some portion of the Rebel fleet getting briefly pinned down by interdictors with, oh, a couple dozen destroyers and some flavor of flagship waiting. They’d probably squeak outta that trap with the loss/capture of a main-ish character, and around we go again. As for the intelligence of Nu!Thrawn and his operatives…all I can say is… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

For rebels, the season finale description is already out there so we have a rough idea what happens. Zero Hour Part One In final preparations for their attack on Lothal, Phoenix Squadron’s plans are disrupted when Grand Admiral Thrawn discovers their location. Part Two Trapped on Atollon with the rebel base under siege, Hera and Kanan fight to keep the squadron alive, as Ezra attempts to rally help from an unexpected source Thrawn probably manages to drag some intel out of sideburns but we better see some actual innovation in fleet maneuvering when he springs the trap on Atollon. I’m… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Let’s face it, Rebels & the Episode 7 script have a real ‘out of sight, out of mind’ approach to destroyer operations. The Impstar of the Week(C) needs to ignore the Ghost & any attached CR90 squad? Everyone in sensors/guns takes a nap. The Finalizer just shot down an escaping TIE piloted by a Resistance honcho & rogue stormie? That’s about all the action it needs, so never mind the escaping Falcon or that bulk freighter picking it up, all within easy sublight distance of Jakku. I suppose some other factor (Budget concerns? Design bureau dissent? Navigational updates?) could’ve rendered… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Given their nap schedule, I’d love to quit my job and join the Imperial Navy. The Finalizer really did fuck up by not sending down a search and recovery crew, if only to destroy the wreck to prevent anyone from stealing their tech. I could understand if they left the system immediately after in order to get to Starkiller Base for political reasons. After all, it’s a Star Wars tradition to have the destroyer crews over a desert planet really screw up in order to generate plot. For Rebels, destroyer performance might actually be worse. You could replace Thrawn’s destroyers… Read more »

Valoren
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Bravo, guys. With that book-and-a-half you wrote in there, it took me a good minute to reach the comment box.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Aside from, say, early-batch experimental craft, I’m not so sure the First Order (or Empire) would bother with any sort of cover-up on something as mass-produced as TIEs tend to be. But seriously: they want the droid and its info. Said droid is on a freighter currently dicking around starship wrecks & dodging your fighters. Why is your big honking tractor beam-equipped flagship not keeping pace with the pursuit & at least *attempting* to intercept said freighter? That whole sequence would’ve made a lot more sense with a blind lightspeed jump on the Falcon’s part before Han’s bulk freighter enters… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Dameron was playing grand theft starfighter with an elite TIE/sf, not a stock TIE/fo. Despite not really having more volume to work with, the Special Forces model have magpulse ordnance warhead launch tubes, a shield generator, a hyperdrive, Finn’s 360 turret, and supposedly “enhanced” scanner and weapons systems all without compromising the legendary speed and maneuverability of a stock TIE. Honestly, the miniaturization technology necessary to cram all that stuff into an eyeball would probably be pretty next-generation in itself which might represent a real breakthrough in strikecraft technology. After the default TIEs miss a huge stationary target despite making… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Given the /sf’s apparent ubiquity in both TFA & a couple prior comics starring Lieut. Dameron, pretty sure the cat would’ve been outta the bag sooner or later based on T-70 sensor footage, if nothing else-‘sides, it’s not like most of those systems didn’t have some at least some precedent on specialty TIEs like the Defender or Royal Guard interceptors. I could see the Rebels attempting to extract and/or wreck, say, one of those superlaser-packin’ B-wings, but the /sf’s advances don’t seem to be quite on that level.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Loving this design’s engine block, hangar spaces, proto-Executor fantail & long-range comm globes. I’ll just visualize a pair of Praetors screening its shakedown cruise.

Xeno
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Xeno

Hey fractal, how many guns are on this thing, and how many starfighters and bombers does it carry?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

i would like to see fractalsponge made executor-class star dreadnought!

Eric Otness
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Eric Otness

He did make one a while back, though it’s only for distance shots, I’m afraid.

mr.oneshot
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mr.oneshot

This is in my opinion by far the most original capital ship I’ve ever seen in Star Wars. The engines and hangar bays are way oversized, which makes her look like a doughnut in some frames and like a pancake in others… That is probably the best thing about it: She’s got so much personality! It definetly brings a lot of flavour to KDY design.
I cannot stress how much I like all of your creations, Fractal.

Michael
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Michael

Love the design, I hope you do the Eclipse next.

AdmiralStrang
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AdmiralStrang

What’s the exact story behind this one again?

Admiral Drakkmar
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Admiral Drakkmar

It was in a graphic novel. Not sure what the name is. It was just a shot of the command tower and the forward large scanner globe. Fractal came up with the rest of the design on his own. I really like the way she came together.

Admiral Drakkmar
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Admiral Drakkmar

Here is the shot of it in Star Wars tales #21

http://www.theforce.net/SWTC/dagger.html#battleship4

Arvenski
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Arvenski

That’s a pretty neat-looking SSD. I feel like she looks a bit on the ‘light’ side for dreadnoughts (although I probably shouldn’t jump to that assumption, with all the turrets she’s carrying), but makes up for it with those big hangers. I’m guessing that her role in battle is something like that of a heavy carrier, whereas the Belator, which is the same length IIRC, is meant to handle the front-line brawling.

Arvenski
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Arvenski

EDIT: Replace Belator with Mandator, since this is a late Republic/early Empire design.

Xeno
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Xeno

Nice! 8 km right?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Why this ship change form the battleship to the dreadnought?

AdmiralStrang
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AdmiralStrang

“Battleship” isn’t a formal class in the Anaxes War College system. Ships of 1000-2000 meters in length are Star Destroyers, ships of 2000-5000 meters in length are Star Battlecruisers. All ships over 5000 meters are classified as Star Dreadnoughts– and, at 7km, our girl here is most certainly one of those.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I’m wasn’t talking about the Anaxes War College system.

Valoren
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Valoren

But the bellator, with it’s 7200m was, nonetheless, classified as a star battlecruiser by Fractal himself on this very site.

AdmiralStrang
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AdmiralStrang

And its classification was changed in the EGtW that canonized it.

I don’t mean to come off as retentive, sorry if that’s the case.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Which would be fair ’nuff if we didn’t have to consider Disney’s nu-officialdom as well. All told, until one of their writers uses the Bellator (or any of Fractal’s creations) somewhere in this new EU, I’m sorely tempted to default toward his definitions, especially as they pertain to his creations.

Hecatomb
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Hecatomb

You know a ship is big when the Assertor is in the scale comparison!

Purple Empire
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Purple Empire

Nice work!