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PhoenixKnight
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Maybe some proof of Pot was in RotJ film.
Star Wars Technical Commentaries
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship

Evan
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Evan

All this is, literally, is fans overthinking the fact that they kitbashed ships for several of these shots, particularly shots of things being destroyed because they didn’t want to screw up the nicer, complete Star Destroyer models because they were expensive.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Arthur: “Camelot!”

Lancelot: “Camelot!”

Galahad: “Camelot!”

Patsy: [muttered] “It’s only a model.”

Arthur: “Shh!”

Evan
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Evan

This is an awesome model but honestly I doubt that this should be named as something unique. It’s logical to assume based on previously established canon that the image in Tales #21 is either a Procurator-class or Mandator I-class.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Eh, the plus-sized sensor/comm domes would seem to indicate more design specialization than prior text implies for either official ship.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I like the suggestion below of this being the mythical Pride of Tarlandia. The excess of sensor globes suggests a platform with an above-average comm/scan capability.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

For some reason I usually visualize something closer to an Allegiance or Compellor cruiser in scale for PoT, but giving this design another link to official events is damned appealing.

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

I too prefer the idea that the Tarlandia was closer in scale to a heavy destroyer or light cruiser than a dreadnought like the Legator. For one, it would have instantly stood out among all the other destroyers if it was a Legator rather then blending into the destroyer screen. Besides, if Tarlandia was destroyed by fighter strikes after brawling with a single MC80, it would make a lot more sense if it was an Allegiance than a Legator.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That depends on whether or not the cruiser that did the damage was just a standard MC80 (there were three different sizes of Mon Cal cruisers on screen in the battle), and exactly how much damage it inflicted, and where (which would dictate whether or not a group of fighters could capitalize on it).

And in a high-tech environment, blending in visually is of questionable effectiveness when the “main communications ship” of the Imperial fleet will be identifiable by its electronic emissions.

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

I don’t question the ability of in-universe rebels to identify a communications ship. My point was that we, the viewers only saw one giant dreadnought onscreen in numerous ROTJ fleet shots and every other visible ship seemed to be in the destroyer/light cruiser size range. Yes, a 3800m Home One type is far more dangerous than a dinky Liberty against line destroyers, but a Legator still would outmass a Home One by an order of magnitude, not to mention far better firing arcs. An Allegiance against a Home One type might be a fair fight, but to a Legator it… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

But if we’re going solely by what we see on screen, then there was never a Pride of Tarlandia at all. At no point in the space battle of Endor did anything like it occur. If, however, we are taking the novel itself at face value, then there was a lot more variety of ships available to the Alliance. In fact, based on the novel, it would seem the majority of hulls in the Rebel fleet were Corellian, not Mon Cal. In fact, the only place where Mon Cal cruisers fit into the description of the Rebel Fleet at all… Read more »

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Film canon should take precedence over all other forms of media, but the novels absolutely are up there as long as they don’t explicitly contradict the film. Out of all the background Imperial ships, it is certainly plausible that one of the vaguely ISD-looking vessels is actually an Allegiance serving as a comms ship, that it fought and won against a fishtank, and then was knocked out. However, having a second dreadnought far closer in size to the Executor is a pretty big stretch. And yes, the films don’t really focus on any large Corellian capitals, but there are non-Calamari… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I don’t mind a little wink/nod fudging of film canon so long as it is in the pursuit of incorporating as much of the EU as possible. It’s far more realistic that the Alliance fleet would be composed of a hodge-podge of varying ship types, rather than being entirely dominated by the Mon Cals. There are at least three ship types seen in the Rebel Fleet just prior to the battle (the Dornean gunship, plus two other mystery ships in the distant background) that are nowhere to be found in the actual battle itself, and there are plenty of ships… Read more »

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

For some reason, the Dauntless and Bulwark have always been absurdly ugly to me. Perhaps one day Fractal will redeem them like he did the Nebula and the Strike. Over the years, so much EU stuff has been retconned to be present at Endor on the Rebel side, but considering how high of a strategic priority DS2 was, and how small most Rebel ships are, I don’t particularly mind. And yes, there were Imperial vessels that were small dots in the background, but from every shot of the Imperial formation, they were dwarfed by the command ship they were escorting.… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

To each their own, but in the absence of a clear measurement of scale, there’s no way to tell how far behind the Executor some of those ships were. An 8km-long ship might appear the same size as a 2km-long ship simply by dint of being 20-30 kilometers behind it, especially if only appearing on screen for a second or so. Sure, it’s shaky, and requires some suspension of disbelief, but my default setting is to include as much as possible from the EU into the SWU. If that means assuming certain ships were present at the Battle of Endor… Read more »

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

Did Dr. Saxon showed a still frame of tej fleet with one larger than ISD but non- Executor scale destroyer?
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gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Good memory-Saxon was indeed pointing out something from those long-distance fleet shots in Palpy’s throneroom. No exact figures to be had, but whatever it was seemed as large or larger than any Mon Cal present (and with a different bow shape).

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Decent exchange between you two-if anything, the presence of enough Rebel heavies to enable the golden-BB event chain of Executor’s death, even granted the boons of point-blank range and Palpy’s super-fettering ROE, tempts me to err toward ‘hey, maybe we never saw the *whole* of either fleet’. Plus, based on a minute’s Googling it’d be damned hard to distinguish Dauntlesses or Bulwarks (‘specially the former) from most Mon Cals at extreme-eyestrain range. I’m a bit on the fence WRT how many Home One-ballpark ships you’d need to mob & hobble a Legator whilst flat-out losing only one in return, but… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

There were a couple Mon Cal concept art ships in the RotJ Art book that I figured for Corellian ships, on account of them being similar enough to MC’s at a distance, but distinct in the details. Armada co-opted one of them to make their MC30c, but it just doesn’t /feel/ like a Mon Cal.

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CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

To me, Mon Cal ships are organic looking, all curves and random bulges. The two above ships have too many sharp edges and angles, and too few random bulges, to fit that look.

IMO, EC Henry’s Mon Cal Corvette from his Rebel Alliance Mystery Ships video is a much better conceptual fit for the MC30 as described (fast and maneuverable but fragile).

https://youtu.be/g5b0cxF8HOE

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The video says he based it on the actual kit-bashed film miniature, though…

Either way, if you were to put the two ships side-by-side and ask me which one was a Mon Cal, I’d pick his over the MC30.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Great, *more* metadetail to be torn on. Perhaps the official-ish MC30’s lack of blister-itis could be chalked up to early/pre-Clone Wars design principles (that ‘Hull 721’ fic even compared it to a ‘baby Recusant’) & some overzealous ‘lighten at all costs’ order to compensate for the anemic thruster count/scale. Eric’s model certainly fixes the latter issue & even seems less spindly overall, though *two* conn-pods-on-diagonal-spars seem a bit much for anything corvette-scale. Can’t say I buy that ‘Dreadnaught’ retro-revision unless it’s another Rendili product of pointedly different scale/role, though (fast transport? Scout?). For the sake of retaining the current -30… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I like filling in the gaps of the existing EU wherever possible, and one of the possibilities that occured to me for the Dreadnaught conversion is the “Kesselian Blockade Runner” mentioned in the RotJ novel. A blockade runner would need a lot of speed to outrun customs inspectors, and with the massive engine block on that ship, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was quite fast. The other one I see as less of a dedicated refueling platform and more like a modular cargo hauler that can swap out the side pods for mission-specific modules. Incidentally, here’s a… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’d be sorely tempted to orient that thing like a B-wing in ‘attack’ mode (cockpit up ‘top’, everything else ‘beneath’) & mirror the ventral side’s engine layout, but that’s mainly my asymmetry allergy speaking. The detachable & well-partitioned cockpit (and your rationale) make sense to me, as does the blockade-runner role for that Dreadnaught ‘cousin’ (though I’m sure Rendili *tried* to market it as something Republic/Imp customs-approved).

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The spinning cockpit had crossed my mind (it looks awfully weird tipped on its side on the miniature), but in ESB, the two ships this is modeled on are very clearly flying on the “flat” side, with the cockpit extending out to the starboard. I figure the cockpit section has airlocks and blast doors allowing the crew access to the main body of the ship, so it’s hard to see how a rotating B-Wing-type cockpit would fit with that. Maybe marketing the Rendili as a courier or mailship. It’d be restricted to licensed courier services, but there are a myriad… Read more »

Shaun
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Shaun

Remember that the pods/blisters on the larger cruisers were originally observation pods and luxury galleries from their high-end star liner days and provided ample space to add weapon emplacements, redundant shield generators, and extra sensors. The smaller MC’s lack of blisters could be attributed to a range of more utilitarian designs and programs and/or a more pragmatic approach to aesthetics/manufacturing.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Fair points in favor of frigate-scale-and-smaller MCs winding up somewhat cleaner-hulled, ‘specially if a webbed handful of said designs stemmed from ex-CIS talent.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Could be, but there’s other aesthetic aspects of the ship – particularly all the sharp angles and edges – that don’t seem to fit with Mon Cal cruisers as seen in RotJ. It might be more plausible to make them Clone Wars-era products of the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (makers of the Malevolence and Providence-class), but the two ships above bear only a general resemblance. By that standard, the Nebulon B and GR75 could’ve been classified as Mon Cal ships, too.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Eh, the Neb takes ‘spindly & angular’ to an especially distinctive extreme, though GR75s certainly have that teardrop hull/conn-pod combo in common with some MCs; it’s the ‘pre-ROTJ’ meta & cargo-container bric-a-brac which separates ’em in my book. As for that concept sketch with the scale-ref Impstar…TBH, I’m just not sure that demonstrates enough variance from what wound up onscreen to weight ‘different manufacturer’ over ‘shifting design trends’. If the base hull shape wasn’t so similar to Home One & the wingless Liberty cousin, I could roll with either ship possibly being Corellian, Sullustan, etc.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

It ultimately boils down to personal preference, but there is a limit to how many general shapes a starship can take before we have to look at the details to differentiate.

The other option would be to make the Dauntless a Corellian platform instead of a Sullustan (the Sullustans have the Liberator) and make it a multi-role hull that can be configured to a specific mission mid-way through construction, making it either a big-gun battleship, a carrier, a warhead launcher or a multi-role cruiser.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Agreed WRT that shape limit-suppose at this point I’m splitting hairs on just *where* said limit applies. And squinting a bit more at some of the Google results for Dauntless, I could halfway see a Strike-style quasi-modular design given the partitioning of those hull sections. Come to think of it, might that thing be Loronar’s shot at the destroyer market?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That’s a possibility, too. I just like the idea of finally ID’ing Han’s “big Corellian ships. It’s right there in the first film, but very few people have ever touched on it.

Daib
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Daib

Solo has added Corellia to film canon as a shipyard for Imperators. Perhaps Han is just talking about regular ISDs that happen to be built on Corellia, and might have a reputation for speed. After all, they do nearly overrun him in both in ANH and ESB.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

But there is also the reference in the RotJ novel, where the bulk of the Alliance fleet is made up of Corellian capital ships, and Mon Cal cruisers barely get a mention. I mean, if you wanted to throw out all canon but the films, then sure, it’d be easy to toss Kuat Drive Yards out completely and have the Imperial Fleet be entirely designed and built by the Corellian Engineering Corporation, but the few clues that exist hint at something more.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’m sorely tempted to reconcile the ‘big Corellian ships’ line and Solo scene by positing that CEC was periodically cranking out things like the Praetor & at least a few more Republic-era heavies prior to the GCW (one of those Executor concept sketches seems a bit Praetor-ish), and as such had a jump on meeting KDY-subcontracted Imp production demands in addition to the plethora of existing lower-end and/or Rimward markets (hence the non-Mon Cal-or-Imp medium combatants in ROTJ). The sheer design range implied by stuff like the YT series, CR90s, Han’s line & that novel ref makes me doubt Impstars… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The Vengeance is a possibility there; that blockhouse-style bridge could be an indicator of Corellian capital ships, like on the Praetor…

Daib
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Daib

Aren’t there several EU sources that note that the Vengeance is a KDY product?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The EU includes many contradictions. The Wookieepedia write-up on the Vengeance states that the course for it being a KDY product is the novel adaptation of Dark Forces 2 (assuming I’m reading it right; the sources are pretty sparse). So it may be that the Vengeance is a KDY product, but it’s also true that not all wedge-shaped ships are KDY products.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Come to think of it, component procurement & back-scratching arrangements between major builders might be convoluted enough that Vengeance’s bridge was an (argh) shipped-in CEC contribution (along with kriff knows how many other bits) while the hull was laid down at KDY.

LazerZ
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LazerZ

The MC30s were actually introduced in unmodded Forces of Corruption.

Evan
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Evan

Yeah except the image this is based on takes place roughly 35 years before the Battle of Endor. The Pride of Tarlandia is ancient, arguably almost something that should be considered S-Canon, from the original Return of the Jedi Novelization.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

This thread has gotten long enough that I’m not quite sure who you’re replying to, so please excuse my confusion. Are you arguing that this ship /should/ be the PoT?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I *think* Evan’s expressing doubts about PoT being a Legator due to the time gap between Clone Wars material & ROTJ. I’m not so sure SW naval tech ages out that rapidly, nor that the Imps would have any doctrinal/political motive to mothball the design, though none of this gives us a firm answer WRT PoT’s identity.

LazerZ
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LazerZ

I don’t think there is necessarily any reason to think that. In fact, I find it extremely unlikely that the Mandators were the only dreadnoughts in the galaxy at the time they were built, though they are apparently supposed to be the first.

Mr. Legends is best canon
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Mr. Legends is best canon

What’s the difference between this and a regular super star destroyer?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

If by ‘regular SSD’ you mean Executor, this is basically a smaller (less than 1/2 the length) predecessor with fewer thrusters & less dorsal bric-a-brac.

DiggusBickus
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DiggusBickus

No offense, but this looks like the executor’s fattened cousin

DiggusBickus
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DiggusBickus

It does look awesome though

Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
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Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran

Would this ship be a good personal ship?

Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
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Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran

Would this ship be a good personal ship or no?

Anonymous
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So since the Legator can carry 50 fighter wings it make me wonder how many wings can the Executor carried?

Octosquid99
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Octosquid99

How long is this ship

Darth Ashes
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Darth Ashes

Hi Fractal

As someone mentioned the Pride Of Tarlandia, have you ever considered doing your interpretation of this mysterious ‘communications ship’ from RotJ? Using that command tower/bridge a lot of theorists have said could belong to it? Would be interesting to see! And we would finally have a ‘face’ to put to the ‘name’.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

how many starfighters does this ship carry

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So Fractal since you said this ship can carry a army sized troop contingent does it mean it is either a field army (100k-300k troops) or a army group front? (2+ field armies)

Sephiroth0812
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Sephiroth0812

Unrelated to other interesting discussions already going on, I recently re-read the novelization of Return of the Jedi and also scoured around Wookieepedia a little in response. During the Battle of Endor it is said that while the Executor is the only full “Super Star Destroyer” present, but both the new Disney Canon and Legends also identify the “Pride of Tarlandia”, which is described as a “Battlecruiser” which acts as a communication and coordination unit for the Imperial fleet. Would it be too farfetched to headcanon the “Pride of Tarlandia” as being a vessel of the Legator-class considering its massive… Read more »

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

I was thinking that the domes could be shield generators, but apparently they are massive fire-control radars. Given how it is supposedly a battleship with 50TT Standardized Twins in Turrets, which is 3,580,000,000 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb in a single bolt. 2 of the bolts each time they fire a gun as they are twins. There are 362 of those guns on the ship. Want a planet gone? Point the ship at a planet, and rotate all the guns to hit as close to a focal point as they can, then “You may fire when ready.” Bye… Read more »

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

ftWoops, I missed the 4 DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MAIN THRUST NOZZLE! Woauldn’t they slag and melt? And what if they had an absent-minded gunner who sent a bolt directly down the engine shaft?

Grand Admiral 517
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Grand Admiral 517

Sadly not. The Legator-class has the Tractor beam targeting array of the Imperial I-class while the Pride of Tarlandia is shown to have the communications tower of the Imperial II-class.

I’d say the Pride of Tarlandia is most likely an Allegiance-class

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

Sorry, that was the Architect part of me speaking….. Great work, Fractal Sponge! Seriously though, could you try to make a Fleet Shield Generator type Ship? The uses for that ship would be unbelievably immense. At worst, it would just be a support ship. At best, it could keep an entire — or at least a significant portion — of a Sector Fleet alive to fight another day.

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

So the Empire made a specialized Imperial-II Class Star Destroyer called the Conquerer and it had a super laser, right? They also made a Cruiser that can keep targets from escaping to lightspeed called the Interdictor. Why did the Empire not make a ship dedicated to protecting their own capitol ships? Then they would have the holy trio of Space Combat: a ship that could destroy nearly any ship with a single shot, a ship to keep the hostile vessels from escaping, and they would also have a ship that would keep their own ships safe from nearly all damage.

Sephiroth0812
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Sephiroth0812

Depends on what you mean by “protecting their capital ships”, from what threat? Massive fighter/bomber attacks? For this the Empire has the Raider-Corvette (new Disney-canon)/Lancer Frigate (Legends canon) or Carrack Cruisers. They can also add a carrier to the group to counter enemy fighters with their own like i.e. a Ton-Falk Escort Carrier or a Venator-class Star Destroyer (the latter bringing also a bit of firepower with it). Interdictor Cruisers themselves also have a sizeable anti-fighter armament. Light ships swarming the lumbering bigger ones like the “Conqueror” (which was an one-of-a-kind experimental ship btw, not a true class for mass… Read more »

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

I mean a ship the size of the Legator devoted to powering a MASSIVE Deflector Shield. The ships you listed would be great for protecting, but at their own expense. The idea I have is a Fleet Support Ship. I originally thought that the Legator was like that, because of the huge domes.

Sephiroth0812
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Sephiroth0812

You mean like a flying theater shield that’s normally used for ground bases? Interesting idea, although I imagine it greatly hampering fleet mobility and draining on the energy resources of the ship in question. Not to mention physical objects like fighters/drones or missiles could just fly through the deflector shield so unless there’s also a projected particle shield the support would be only partial. The Legator-class is a battleship though, although a late Republic/early Empire one so it can be imagined serving in both Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War conflicts. True to Republic doctrine it doesn’t have the “overwhelming… Read more »

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

What is the job of this ship? would it be a shield magnifier? Put it in the middle of a fleet in a tight cluster formation, stacking their shields, so that this would drastically boost shield power? I don’t see many emplacements, unlike the Assertor or the Bellator. As a Non-fleet ship, this thing would be hillariously outgunned.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Those super-sized domes are apparently comm/EW/scanner devices; as for shield-stacking, dunno whether even your average battlecruiser/dreadnought would want to add ‘mobile theater defense’ to its already-hefty power demands, or whether the cost in general fleet mobility would be mitigated by such defensive coverage if it worked.

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

Overlapping shields by getting close enough is possible. I was wondering because of, well, those massive domes, and also the apparent lack of offensive weapons. What is the point of those turrets, anyways? They look to small to do any severe damage to a major Capitol Ship, at least without focusing a quarter of that quadrant’s cannons on a singular target. Probably the easiest way to kill this ship is to swarm its rear belly section with a B-Wing Attack Run. There are only 4 turrets protecting the engines.

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

And yes, I know that the ship can still escape without it’s sublight engines, but if you swarm enough fighters, bombers, corvettes and frigates around it, and it wouldn’t be able to jump to hyperspace. Not without severely damaging itself at least and rupturing the domes and destroying the equipment inside. Also, the reason why I could see the Empire making a ship specifically made to generate a shield around other ships when they are in a tightly packed Attack Formation is because if the Dreadnoughts and Star Destroyers don’t have to worry about generating their own shields, then they… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So I check this ship’s armaments and fighters and it carry a whopping 50 fighter wings (That over 8 fighter groups!) I mean wow make me wonder how many fighter wings can the Preator fleet carrier variant carry.
Anyway here the stats: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?p=4037308#p4037308
By away Fractal since 6 fighter wings make a group what would 6 fighter group would equal to?

Sephiroth0812
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Sephiroth0812

It’s a battleship isn’t it? So 600+ fighters are reasonable, especially since the Legator seems to be an late-Republic design (it has Venator-HTL turrets) and unlike the Imps the Republic had more of a focus on fighter craft. I also find the Legator somehow very visually pleasing, it has a sleek yet dangerous looking design and seems to be capable of blasting apart any Separatist or Rebel vessel it faces (except maybe the Malevolence). Where stands it power-wise anyways? I guess Executor, Assertor and Bellator are a few numbers too big for it to take on, but anything other it… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well the ship is 8km in length which is battleship size but like I said it carry 50 wings of fighters (Which is equal to a whopping 3,600 fighters!) so I guess it could also be called a Battlecarrier (Although I kinda doubt Fractal would like that term to be use) but the Legator also have many EW and command equipment which make it more of the Command Ship.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Speaking of the Battlecarrier Fractal someone have use you Impellor and made it from the fleet carrier to the Battlecarrier although it’s classification was a Super Carrier.
It decrease the length to 3km and made it to have carry two full attack craft of fighters and interceptors, half the wing of bombers and a squadron of gunships although it oddly said in it’s hangers are 18 squadrons, it’s defenses is high and it’s speed and maneuverability were low.
Here are more information about it: http://starwarsrp.net/topic/109441-ifw-impellor-class-battle-carrier/

Sephiroth0812
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Sephiroth0812

Strictly spoken the Venator already is a “Battlecarrier” as it is a hybrid design of a medium destroyer and carrier vessel, although the carrier is its primary role and the destroyer the secondary one. So the Legator following this line of thinking only on a bigger scale is reasonable to a degree considering the apparent doctrine of the “Old” Republic of having dual-role ships and a bigger emphasis on fighters than the later Empire has. 3600 fighters is certainly a huge complement, so I would guess that a Republic-era Legator would carry V19-Torrents and NTB-630 bombers early-Clone Wars, then switching… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I wonder how this would look with ISD 1 main turrets instead of Venator turrets

Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

You mean the Octuple guns? Yeah, that would make it a seriously heavy hitter. It would be able to go toe-to-toe against a Mon Cal Cruiser, and win.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

That the ISD 2 guns which is the 32/40 teratons caliber, I’m talking about the duel 175 teratons caliber heavy turbolasers use by the ISD 1.
Plus the Legator already have the 175 teratons caliber heavy turbolasers which is the ball quads turbolasers in the trench alongside the ball quad 240 teratons caliber heavy ion cannons so I think it doesn’t need those ISD 1 guns.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Anyone have any thoughts on how long this is supposed to be?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Pretty sure it’s 8 km (which, oddly enough, was Executor’s quoted length in a ton of old-EU books & games).

Jason
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Jason

Seeing these ships just makes me even more disappointed with the Sequels we’re getting. Chock full of crappy designs…

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Ooh, engine glow & shade-flourishes for Executor’s big-eared aunt. Supposed energetic implications aside, gold just fits this puppy, and that head-on ninth shot down is possibly its best angle.

Arvenski
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Arvenski

That head-on shot is epic. Also, by order of Imperial Center, you’re required to listen to this while viewing these pictures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Does Director Isard allow for soundtrack variants? ‘Cause this one seems like the Coruscant public-approved key: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9MShtCg4fk

Arvenski
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Arvenski

Ooh, that’s really cool. Thanks for linking. If the Empire were good guys, that’d be the music for them.

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

The Empire are the good guys. Look what happened when they fell apart. Hux and his merry band of Space Daesh took over.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Chris Can’t help figuring that falls under ‘certain point of view’ territory, and one unlikely to be shared by a massive chunk of the galaxy-‘specially whomever the Death Stars (and then Starkiller) were scheduled to ‘reprimand’. Plenty of medium/low-echelon Imps weren’t privy to high command’s malfeasance, of course-in fact, I keep visualizing an ex-Remnant sector force or two throwing their lot in with the Resistance somewhere during/prior to Ep 8. That way we get Impstars, Tectors, Vics & the odd Praetor dueling Resurgents & siege pizzas alongside whatever NR fleet survived the Hosnian carnage. Doubtful the films themselves will allow… Read more »

Arvenski
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Arvenski

@Gorkmalork
“I keep visualizing an ex-Remnant sector force or two throwing their lot in with the Resistance somewhere during/prior to Ep 8.” I’d love it if that were the case. Good-guy pseudo-Imperials would be fun to see, especially if they had their own aesthetic that was recognizably Imperial in origin but was also different, indicating how these people have changed since the time of Palpatine’s Empire.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Arvenski
Dunno about you, but ‘my’ aesthetic(s) would involve less standardized paint jobs & unit markings on everything from battlecruisers (Republic-style stripes?) to TIE squadrons (desert-tan Avengers, anyone?), depending on where said fleets were originally stationed. Plus, (a) a notable percentage of nonhuman grunts & officers and (b) an eclectic second-line assortment of supply-chain superfreighters & captured pirate/Black Sun/Hutt cartel assets-after a couple years their access to original Imp resources/channels would be patchy at best.

Arvenski
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Arvenski

@Gorkmalork Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinking. Non-standard paint schemes on ships, with lots of visible wear, tear, and sort-of-repaired battle damage in places. Troopers might have camouflaged armor, like the clones used to, and could be equipped with a motley assortment of gear and weapons. (A good touch would be if most troops weren’t using full helmets anymore. That would show that these people have come a long way from being Imperials, and would emphasize their humanity, since we could see their faces.) What I’m thinking of are the Rebel soldiers from Rogue One, but with a bit… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

@Arvenski
Now that you mention partial helmets: I’m starting to ponder what scout-biker headgear would look like with a Scarif beachtrooper dye job & detachable air filter.

Valoren
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There was a guy in one scene of Rogue one, who wore a scout helmet dyed in black.

Daniel w
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Daniel w

Avenski… it all depends on the mood of the propaganda. The first for ‘You can’t win, surrender now.’ the second for ‘See we’re really not so bad.’

can you just imagine Vader visiting Palpy’s Youth Center? mwhahaha

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You know at this point my predictions just going to be luck based so I’l just accept which ships or fighters going to get a 4K render instead of randomly guessing which is next.
Also the engines glow orange this time huh so i guess the acceleration speed will be between red slowest and blue fastest right?

Xeno
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Xeno

absolutely gorgeous

I’ll always be attached to this ship, thanks to it’s name, shape, and personal appeal, but *damn*, you are truly a magician, captain

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

That reminds me: fine suggested moniker on your part.