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Anonymous
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Just in case if anyone wonder how Fractal got the idea of this ship it is base of an Anonymous star battleship#1 also known as Admiral Giel’s star battleship.

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Although I got to ask Fractal when you said you going to make this ship it was going to be between 7-8km in length here: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?p=3001376#p3001376 But now it is 6.4km so why did you change your mind about it? (I know it is a old post but I just want to know why)

Sephiroth0812
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Just out of general interest, how would a unit of this class fare against an Allegiance or a Legator?

gorkmalork
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If we go with the 6.4-km. length Fractal was proposing pre-EGtW, Praetor could probably chew up an Allegiance with some wear & tear; they’re extra-punchy for their bulk, but ‘only’ 2.2 km. At 8 km, Legator has a notable tonnage edge, but might be less slugging match-optimized (big hangar cavities, dorsal long-range comm globes), so that duel might depend on luck/initiative.

Grand Admiral Declann
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If this ship was hit by an Ion Weapon like the Hoth cannon, then it will be a big mess to clean up.

Sephiroth0812
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As to say something about the actually featured ship here:
I love using these guys in Thrawn’s Revenge/Imperial Civil War-mod for Empire at War when I can build them either as the Imperial Remnant or the Pentastar Alignment.
Their range is almost insane and they’re much easier to maneuver than the blocky and clumsy Executors.

Give them one or two VicStars as escort plus a few anti-fighter ships and they can wreck almost everything.

gorkmalork
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Haven’t actually played the EAW mods, but I’ve watched enough excerpts on YouTube to note how the maps & ‘camera’ (to say nothing of weapon ranges) are calibrated for keeping track of far smaller units. Evillejedi’s ‘Warlords’ gives capital craft far more breathing room (not to mention 3-D maneuvering), though steering ’em can still be a chore and micromanaging fighter squad-scale stuff becomes quite the task.

Jackalope
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So wookieepedia stated that this ship was used to hunt down remaining separatist force early in the imperial reign, is that why so many of its weapons are ion, so it could hunt down and disable ships for capture more easily.

Sephiroth0812
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That was the Praetor Mk. I which was also already used by the Republic during the Clone Wars.
The ship portrayed here is a Praetor Mk. II, an entirely imperial design which was the successor of the aforementioned one.

Anonymous
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So Fractal from the look at the hanger bow there are 4 bays two hanger bays and 2 square ones so I guess 2 wings of fighters but I’m not sure what inside the square bays.
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Anonymous
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My mistake those hangers are actually smaller which carry only a squadron of fighters each which make it 2 squadrons.

Anonymous
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And I also figure out that the square shape hanger bay are for shuttles and transports.

Anonymous
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Never mind I was right the first time that it carry 2 wings. (Again late post)

Anonymous
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So Fractal what do you think of the Republic class star destroyer use by the New Republic? :/revision/latest?cb=20060503131348 The ship is 1,250 meters in length and it said to have half and cost and 1/5 crew size of the Imperial/Imperator I but despite that it have 20% more firepower than the Imperial/Imperator I but still outmatch by the Imperial/Imperator II and various super star destroyers. the armament is 40 heavy turbolaser batteries, 40 heavy turbolaser cannons, 20 ion cannons and 10 tractor beam projectors it also have a class 2 hyperdrive. And it carry up to 72 fighters and 3,200… Read more »
Anonymous
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Half the* cost of the Imperial/Imperator I.
Well there my another wording slip up.

gorkmalork
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Happens to everyone. As I understand it, you could *theoretically* cram more guns than an Impstar usually mounts on a Venator-tonnage hull; however, this is likely to heinously compromise the volume you can dedicate to anything *besides* anti-capital action, and the resulting ship is unlikely to have enough juice for every gun at once (or shields proportionate to an Impstar’s, for that matter).

Anonymous
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Right although it also say since the Republic need to have a similar weapony to the Imperator it need to have to sacrifice both cargo space and endurance which kinda make it a glass cannon.
Speaking of the Imperator you might have see this before:comment image/revision/latest?cb=20100323185310
I would like Fractal to make this variant but instead of having a superlaser you could replace it with a few hanger bays to make it a Fleet Carrier like the Impellor Or there is no point of making this because the Venators can cover that role right?

Anonymous
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Yeah though so anyway speaking of Venators Fractal since those ships are carrier-destroyer I wonder what they would be like as a pure carrier (Unless the difference is minor like just a few more fighters like 12-24)?

gorkmalork
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I’ll admit it’s kinda fun to visualize rapid-reaction squadrons composed entirely of Impstar flavors (say, 1 carrier-cutout type, 1 Dominator, 4 Deuces and a handful of -Is & Tectors for offense). Suppose KDY might try out a sensor/EW-specialized variant packing scaled-down/recessed Legator domes?

Sephiroth0812
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One factor I see missing in the discussion here is Miniaturization. Just because the Republic-class or Nebula-class is smaller it doesn’t mean that the RSD being 20% better than an ISD-I or the Nebula being able to easily vaporize an ISD-II (and perform well even against some smaller SSDs according to Legends-canon) is nigh impossible or implausible. Both the Republic and the Nebula are shipclasses created with newer technology and since Miniaturization can arguably be also a thing in the SW Galaxy it is certainly feasible to assume that the RSD and NSD can have the attributes and advantages against… Read more »
gorkmalork
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Assuming equal crew quality & a neutral starting position (neither of which are remotely guaranteed, granted), I seriously doubt capital-scale ‘miniaturization’ will give you a Venator/Victory/MC80-scale ship with the juice to offhandedly wreck Impstars (much less larger first-rate combatants). TIEs seem to be the handiest in-universe example of compact high-performance craft, and they’re still broadly comparable to most Alliance, Clone Wars or neutral starfighters in volume & general performance if not mass. Outside the odd superweapon, SW naval tech just doesn’t seem to involve the energy-output (or efficiency) progression jumps we’re accustomed to from RL mil-history, so smaller capital craft… Read more »
Valoren
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Even if technological advancement could potentially make reactors, capacitor and turbolasers more compact for the same capabilities, the fuel necessary to efficiently feed all of that would be the same. A Nebula’s fuel capacity would have to be at least equal to the one of a ISD to match it in combat, and since it’s much less voluminous, the only way to achieve that would be to compress hypermatter even further, or else it would run dry far before its opponent. Even assuming you could increase the efficiency of an hypermatter annihilation reactor, you couldn’t do it by much since… Read more »
Sephiroth0812
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It was mostly an idea to reconcile what Legends-sources claim with the objective smaller hulls of both the NR Star Destroyer classes. Then again, if I recall correctly concerning the Republic-class the 20% better than the ISD-I concerns only raw firepower itself, nothing else. 1250 Meters is roughly Venator or Procursator-size so this would suggest a medium destroyer rather than a heavy one. The RSD is stated to be “overall a much more efficient design” than the ImpStar-line of ships, but since it is smaller and has to retain the 20% more firepower than the ISD-I it has severely reduced… Read more »
gorkmalork
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I’d be very wary about drawing too many conclusions re: ship capabilities based on fluff text (as opposed to stats or onscreen action)-fr’instance, Legends & now Disneyboot-spinoff sources keep noting the Nebulon-B’s supposed capacity to put a dent in Victory-tonnage destroyers, and that thing is far too spindly for any hope in hell of doing so individually. Come to think of it, despite that NR market label the Majestic’s design seems liable to give it very similar power/endurance issues engaging anything bulkier than an MC30 or Strike-class. Honestly, I’m starting to wonder if that “20% more firepower” figure just refers… Read more »
Sephiroth0812
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Stats and on-screen action are rather hard to come by with shipclasses that aren’t used so often in actual material and when there are some instances and even those few contradict each other to a degree you’re left headscratching somewhat. The old Legends-EU was a confused mess in several different areas anyways and almost all the “New class”-designs were somewhat murky covered. A Neb B being capable of fighting a VicStar one-on-one? Wat? This thingy is an escort frigate, not an anti-destroyer ship. Even a Venator would probably blast a single Nebulon B apart with ease. I remember Kyle Katarn… Read more »
Steve Bannon
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I think no one here disputes the fact that the Nebulon-B can’t hope to go toe-to-toe with a Victory, but the various NR light destroyers have a bunch of odd characteristics that I think can be explained. If we can all agree that baseline power generation technology in Star Wars is relatively stagnant, a 1200 meter Republic-Class destroyer can’t hope to exceed an Imperator in reactor output given its hull form, but if it sacrifices shielding and thrust while packing on huge capacitor racks and missile banks, surpassing an Imperator in firepower by 20% for a few minutes should be… Read more »
Anonymous
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Fractal there is a problem I’m having with Something Big – StarDestroyer.Net BBS
: https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=124353

Anonymous
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Very late post but it is working again.

Arvenski
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Oh, the Praetor. What a beautiful beast. It’s great to have those comparison shots with the ISD, btw.

gorkmalork
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Those thruster clusters (plus dorsal secondaries) make for a neat display indeed when lit up. Plus, choice comparison shots-I suppose you stuck with this render’s original intended tonnage (as opposed to the EGTW’s shaving off roughly an Impstar & change)?

Anonymous
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Ooo the Praetor engine’s yellow glow (Same colour as the Altor) is beautiful.
By away Fractal are you going to give us the armament of this ship?