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  1. Sephiroth0812

    These comparison pics with the ImpStar somehow make me chuckle, it’s almost like a little brother tagging along with big bro trying to show off that he’s a toughie too. ;D

    • gorkmalork

      Funny thing is, the Procursator’s actually packing punchier (albeit fewer) main guns than that Impstar Deuce. Short kid with an aluminum bat.

      • Fractalsponge

        9x175TT vs 64×32/40TT. Fewer big sticks, designed for big targets, which as a fleet escort/pack boat, is more important to shoot at.

        • gorkmalork

          Right, trading fire rate/duration & multi-tasking for initial offense. These two might make solid light-to-middling wolfpack complements if one’s short on Tectors or heavier.

  2. PhantomFury

    I noticed a notch midship on the first terrace that looks like it could fit a turret in there, but was left as an opening. Rather, there seems to be something that looks like a closed hangar door. Is that an airlock perhaps? Something to get around the issue that the Procursor-class lacks a hangar?

    • Fractalsponge

      Well there is a hangar ventrally where you’d expect it, but it’s just covered with armored hatches.

      • PhantomFury

        Ah, I see, so the ventral hangar does have uses for basic crafts. Initially thought it was something along the lines of “quick patch job.”

  3. gorkmalork

    No denying the texture upgrade, but I’m rather torn about that bridge reshaping. Makes sense for playing up the ‘pocket Impstar’ aesthetic, to be sure. Two scattershot musings come to mind: (a) how often the name similarity to Procurator produces massive clerical errors and (b) how many Procursators you’d need to wolfpack the older ship (I’m guessing an even dozen).

    • Fractalsponge

      The only major difference on the bridge is that I decided to go with full sized sensor globes vs the half-sized one from before. The surface greebles were re-arranged a bit but the overall module is otherwise identical in proportions.
      a) people can deal with it 🙂
      b) A lot – by reactor it’s about a 30x difference. Both designs are capacitor-happy (more alpha than sustained firepower), and there’s the missile wildcard in play, but probably at least 20 of the light destroyers to reliable challenge the battlecruiser.

      • gorkmalork

        Ah, another case of insufficient squinting on my part. The regulation-scale globes certainly add their share of character.

      • gorkmalork

        Oh, and you ain’t kidding about the missile wildcard-they’re obviously a boon for platforms that have to put in extra evasive effort, and on the heavy target’s end there’s the question of keeping focus on your attackers (which missiles can also help with, but far slower than energy weapons) or maneuvering to give PD a better shot at inbound barrages. Plus, I get the impression prolonged combat=more TL bleedthrough=more tender bits zorched, light laser/missile stations included, which might favor the wolfpack *if* enough manage not to die (or break & flee) in that duration. All told, there’s a reason wolves don’t take on moose but once in a blue moon, and vaguely similar principles may apply here.

  4. countvertex

    What are those two spikes below the bridge tower? That’s a feature I haven’t noticed on any other star destroyer type.

  5. Anonymous

    So Fractal I notice something strange when I post a picture in this website at first it was the right size to see probably but then suddenly much later the picture become much smaller than it was so what up with that?

    • Fractalsponge

      Whoa boy – well, I think it depends a lot on how much fuel weighs, and since that apparently has a complex mass component, who knows? This is getting a bit far into analysis of something that is functionally magic. We can interpret symptoms, but not cause, in other words.

      • Valoren

        Sorry, I didn’t formulate my question well. I meant excluding the fuel, even if I realize it’s kinda nonsensical, since it’s an essential component of the ship. Obviously, making a precise estimate of the density of HM is impossible with the information at hand, so my question would be more like: if we know an ISD to be ~90 million m3, is it reasonable to assume a weight of around a 100 million tons as a lower limit ?

        • Fractalsponge

          I think it would be more than that – Titanic was something like 0.5 ton/m3, so a mile long space warship is likely to be a lot more heavily built than that.

          • Valoren

            Thanks. On a totally unrelated note, have you ever wondered where the hangar doors are placed on an acclamator assault-ship ?

          • Chris Bradshaw

            If you consider the Clone Wars cartoon canon, there’s a fairly small bay door on the bottom.

  6. Anonymous

    That’s a really nasty version, I like it much better than the previous one. The first version look unfinished to be honest. Is it still in the same 1200-1300m range as old one or is it smaller as Imperator seems to be about one third larger. Can forward “closed” hangar still be used to deploy fighters/small craft? Does it have any fighters at ll?

    P.S.
    I think that I found small error in your model. The point defence guns at the middle of the bottom spine have non-symmetrical arrangement for no obvious reason. It can be easily spotted here: http://fractalsponge.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/proc33.jpg Six guns “points” upward, and only four downward.

    • gorkmalork

      That hangar looks big enough for Lambda-grade shuttles and at least a handful of fighter squads. Not potential Impstar capacity, but comparable to an MC80’s internal space for alphabet birds.

      • Fractalsponge

        Probably just a shuttle/utility craft group. Maybe a squadron of light fighters if everyone squeezes in, but the layout would really not be meant for combat ops.

        • gorkmalork

          Correction appreciated; hadn’t realized this one was that gunboat-optimized. I suppose Allegiance supports a proportion/role-comparable number of small craft, then.

          • Fractalsponge

            Allegiance would be similar yes – more light craft but only by virtue of increased size, and definitely not optimized for combat operations.

  7. Jonathan C.

    Ahh, a nice clear look at the bottom. No open hanger eh? Just landing craft/troops? Or none of those either? Ah well that is what Ton Falks are for. Are the HTL’s here superior to those on say a victory (besides having a 3rd barrel)? Same firing rate/yield? If not than the little Victory outguns her 18 to 9.

    • Fractalsponge

      These are triple 175 teraton, vs twin 70 teraton HTL.

      No seriously deployable troops – mostly for internal security/boarding action.

  8. Anonymous

    So I found this cruiser which is the Liberator class it’s length is unknown but it is said to be slender and small in size but carry a lot of weapons which is 240 heavy turbolasers (40×2 on both fore and aft and 80×2 on both port and starboard) and 200 ion cannons (40 on fore and 80×2 on again both port and starboard) and it carry 6 starfighter squadrons and 3 troop regiments.
    Here what it look like: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/76/LiberatorCruiser-SWR.png/revision/latest?cb=20120613093221

      • Chris Bradshaw

        I think its pretty conclusively a heavy frigate. 240 particularly oversized LTL might be believable, especially for a vessel designed to fight piracy.

        • Valoren

          Apparently the numbers were somewhat overinflated. I just looked “liberator cruiser” and the first wikia page reference those numbers, but the next one say the ship is 398 m, with an armement of 24 TLs and 20 ICs. The troop and fighter complement stay consistent though.

          • Anonymous

            You know the Liberator class cruiser look quite like the broadside class cruiser when you compare them.

          • gorkmalork

            @Valoren
            Good check-the second page’s heavy-weapon count makes much more sense. Wouldn’t mind more Sullustan heavy metal (including stuff comparable to Imp cruisers or mid-Rebellion Mon Cal flagships), but that one at least seems a couple steps up from the Quasar Fire.

      • Sephiroth0812

        The Broadside cruiser is claimed to be inspired by the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer in terms of overall keel design, but it could be as easily also the Liberator.

        As far as I know the Liberator was a ship created solely for the old PC game Star Wars: Rebellion (Supremacy in the UK) and barely used elsewhere in the old Legends EU.
        In-game it was supposed to be the Rebel Alliance’s “answer” to the Empire’s Victory II-class Star Destroyer.

        • gorkmalork

          I can attest re: Liberator never, ever seeming to crop up in any of the EU novels I cracked open. Still doesn’t strike me as a good one-on-one match for any light destroyer, and it goes in the opposite direction if we ignore the carried-craft numbers + abstract-seeming model in favor of HTL count and assume it *is* battlecruiser-scale, but such is mid-90s game balance.

    • Fractalsponge

      “heavy” turbolaser? If it’s mounting 240 real HTL (20 teraton+) then it’s gotta be pretty big. I always thought it was ~600m or so.

      • gorkmalork

        Squinting at the model, I wonder if those visible bumps on the bow forks & aft flanks might account for multi-barrel HTLs & ions, with the remainder being medium & PD zappers. The small-craft count seems to fit a frigate-scale ship.

  9. Anonymous

    Whoa so this is was the Procursator look like when you put great effort into it instead of being done in just two days amazing!
    Also since this is a version 2 will there be anymore of them on different ships or this is will be the only one you did?

      • Anonymous

        Really wow I shouldn’t have underestimate your skills.
        Although this version seem to have way less light turbolasers than the older version which would have been awesome to see them with this detail but hey I take what I got.

        • Anonymous

          Man just image the Impertor, the Allegiance, the Secutor, the Bellator and hell probably the Assertor with this high amount of detail.

  10. Road Warrior

    I spy new geo! (I think) Light guns and hand-wave bits from the Victory. Possibly the bow has new bits too. Whether any of this correct- been awhile since I took a gander at the Procursator gallery- it looks phenominal.

    Very nice, boss!

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