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Grand Admiral Declann
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Grand Admiral Declann

This is amazing work! I can’t wait to see the finished model!

Ethan
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Ethan

I am just curious if you had thought about doing the Venator class star destroyer and it’s Mandalorian inspiration which I believe was called the Akaan Galaar and a few non official sources state as being 2.5 km in length?

StellarMagic
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StellarMagic

Huh… I thought the ISD2 dropped the axial laser battery. Then again, I get the feeling there was a lot more variation with the ISD then anyone really admitted too.

Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28
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Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28

Huh… what do you mean with the axial laser battery?

beta_520
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beta_520

he means the three axial triples

BigBlue
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BigBlue

I believe the correct term is “centreline.”
“Axial laser battery” implies laser cannons firing along the ship’s centre axis/axis of thrust. Centreline turrets, however, are turrets mounted on the vessel’s centreline.

keb
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keb

He may have gotten it confused with “axial defense turret” which is the actual term used in the Star Destroyer ICS picture. comment image

As for the ISD2 armament change, Rogue One changed the ISD1 – including Devastator herself – by adding the four new ventral turrets (two near the hangar and two under the bow). If R1 was allowed to change the first Star Destroyer ever seen on the movie screen, then I see no reason why Fractal can’t make similar changes to the ISD2.

valoren
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valoren

@keb
actually, the devastator already had two turrets under the bow. Even thought they practically couldn’t put them on the model, you can distinctively see bolts coming from those places.

Admiral Prophet
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Admiral Prophet

This is the Imperial 1-Class that is why it has those axial batteries.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Regarding the asymmetrical bridge tower (one side of the tower is flat, the other side has a slight kink in it, visible in the “Falcon on the back of Avenger” shot) – shouldn’t it be the port side that has the “not completely straight up and down” trait?

This one, shows the starboard side of the tower that way.

I’ve been comparing this one to the one on the Exhibitions: Avenger page of Star Wars Technical Commentaries – and it caught my attention.

StellarMagic
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StellarMagic

Plus… the filming model only had full detailing on one side to keep the costs down. Some allowances can, and should be made.

It is known
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It is known

Concerning the Resurgent class which is supposed to have 1500 guns. Well really we havent seen this one much in Action lately and the last movie was an disappointment in that regard. So far i can remember there werent anywhere near as many weapons to be seen. If that figures a correct which i doubt then most of ist weaponry is to small to be seen and possibly to small to be of any threat to anything in similar size. Considering that i would guess the impstar could pose a serious threat and the allegiance fractal made would definitely obliterate… Read more »

StrikerUSA
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StrikerUSA

It is twice the size of an ISD so the weapons would be harder to see than on the Imp Star which in the movies all you ever see are the primary 8 turrets anyway except for Rogue One ISD that added more visible firepower. The Resurgent in ep VII showed plenty of larger turrets, like twelve alone on the bow, and there never was a close up in ep 8. ISD wouldn’t be much of a threat at all and I bet even the Allegiance would lose though that one does have more firepower for its size compared to… Read more »

It is known
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It is known

Exactly my thought about this underarmed overrated dreadnought. they did not need it at all those SDs would have been more than capable of destroying the ground facility and interrupting any evacuation attempt. Well ok the ISD II is an bad example to fight an resurgent but i do still think an allegiance would have been capable of standing its ground (in space) fighting an resurgence. Cause the allegiance is only 700m shorter than the resurgence but very well armed for its size like you said. Best example the Executor 19km vs Assertor 15km my money would be on the… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So Fractal between the Venator, the Imperator and the Resurgent how would you rank them from top to bottom by designs?

Hitfilmer
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Amazing work! When you finish this, are you going to upload the 3d file?

StrikerUSA
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StrikerUSA

Man that is just beautiful. Well done and the axial triples are the same caliber as the octuples correct? Hope you’ll model some XX-9’s and NK-7 ion cannons to put somewhere on the ship.

Soren
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Soren

First: Welcome back Fractal! I hope you had a happy new year and a merry Christmas!

Second: She’s going along beautifully! I can’t wait to see the finished product!

cScott
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cScott

Does barrel length for TLs have any effect on weapon performance (e.g., accuracy, recoil, energy output) in the disney canon? The barrel on the at-m6 TL is pretty short compared to the ones on this ImpStar. And do the octuples in picture 6 look like sextuples to anyone else?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Don’t you know that Canon weaponry are powered by Disney Magic? But all (heavy hearted) joking aside, the “megacaliber” (which I am disappointed to learn that it’s just another turbolaser and not a more sensible mass driver based on its nomenclature) have their own independent reactor from the rest of the walker, granting it more power. As for your original question, I do believe barrel length is tied into the weapon’s effective range.

valoren
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valoren

I don’t really know what weapon range would mean in the context of space combat since their’s nothing to impede the beam’s movement. Range, as the distance to which a weapon would still be effective would be virtually infinite in that case. The only limiting factors would be the rate of propagation of the beam/projectile and the efficiency of the targeting systems. Maybe longer canons produce more stable beams and therefore possess more penetrating power, or accelerate bolts at a faster rate, making them more effective at longer ranges, particularly on moving targets…?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Star Wars turbolasers seem to have ludicrously short ranges, fo an example this (KX-series?) boxy Death Star turbolasers have the range of only 100 km, but as for this means, I believe it has to do with the distance until magnetic field holding the bolt together weaken enough to reduce the bolt’s destructive potential.

valoren
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valoren

The problem with the 100 km range figure is that it would make any orbital strike exceedingly hard to execute or even downright impossible, since an atmosphere would add resistance, potentially shortening the range even more. As fractal said, for me it was always more a case of limited effective range, which would explain why they can hit immobile targets (like cities) or objects moving in a predictable pattern (like asteroids) just fine.
The XX-9 on the death star are around 10 m long/wide/high. in term of volume, in our universe, they’re easily in the WWII battleship main turret-ballpark.

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Well, this has the potential to bring back the old magnetic-containment field theory versus the ramping-up lightspeed beam theory debate. If you subscribe to the magnetic containment field idea, it does support a exponential increase in range based on the size of the beam emitter, regardless of what exotic particles are actually being fired if the containment field expires on a timeframe corresponding to the size of the emitter. That might why Han’s poorly maintained Falcon couldn’t target a TIE only a few hundred meters ahead of it while the Death Star could hit Alderaan. It also could explain why… Read more »

Valoren
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Valoren

The containment field theory was thrown around when turbolasers were considered plasma weapons. When your projectile is composed of super-agitated gas, an invisible « something » preventing it to just desintegrate as soon as it leave the barrel make sense. It was also created to explain the flak effect that some bolts seem to have. The problem with this interpretation is that it suppose the existence of a « field » both self-sustaining and strong enough to maintain the beam’s unity for a long period of time, and you can probably already see the problem with that idea. Personally, I would lean more toward… Read more »

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I can affirm the fact that 100km range does make orbital bombardment far more difficult as mentioned even by the magical whammy that is the Canon, which raises something along the lines of atmospheric disturbances yadda yadda make turbolaser far weaker when it finally reaches the ground. But on the note of turbolaser mechanics, the idea of a helix of photons does sound rather intriguing, though I am from the plasma bolt school of thought.
@Steve I doubt XX-9 made for starfighters, however, as Ep. 4 made it clear that starfighters are “too small, they’re evading […] turbolasers.”

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

(Btw, I got my Canon technicalities from the wiki, though it got its sources from the Thrawn book. Here’s the entry: “A turbolaser’s effectiveness was weakened drastically as the bolt moved through layers of a planet’s atmosphere making them largely ineffective even against unshielded targets, however this can be negated by moving the ships deeper into the planet’s stratosphere.” So one could say that orbital bombardment is massively nerfed in Canon.

valoren
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valoren

As fractal said, energy cannot simply disappear. If a bolt lose megatons upon megatons worth of energy due to air resistance, it’s just going to heat the atmosphere around it like a nuclear bomb would. Another big problem the plasma bolt theory (and plasma weapons in general) is that, as stated previously, without a containment field, the projectile constantly wants to kill itself on it’s way to the target, which mean that when it eventually does and the CF is ruptured, the beam’s particles will just fly randomly in all directions and most of them won’t hit anything. Plus, plasma,… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Between TLJ’s implied (H?)TL-bolt attenuation (seriously, at a certain well-within-visual range Mon Cals can indefinitely tank fire from a ship half DS1’s width??) and that nu-novel atmospheric degradation, I’m less than thrilled with the Disneyboot’s technical turns re: capital craft. Hell, now we have the odd SDN pundit taking Rebels + said novel as proof positive Impstars need strike birds to do anything besides sit there & sic walkers on hardened surface targets. And come to think of it, where’s this Atmo Diffusion Factor(R) re: ESB’s ion cannon? Or are we supposed to figure that V-150 would’ve sufficed to wipe… Read more »

BigBlue
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BigBlue

If I remember correctly (I probably don’t but I can’t check right now), the atmospheric degradation was mentioned in the context of a shielded rebel compound just outside a planetary capital. I believe that, in that instance, Thrawn’s worry was about the very effect which Fractal and Valoren mentioned.
If memory serves, every operation (in that book), which Thrawn considered to be a success, resulted in very few/no civilian casualties, so it’s not really a stretch to think that he would be reluctant to effectively set of a series of 100Mt+ explosions with millions of civilians within the blast radius.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So Fractal If you done this redux will it replace the old model on the front in your website?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Awesome details, I love your work some much!

Shaun
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Shaun

The tertiary floozle hub on the upper outer main reactor flange is backwards. It’s supposed to face maintenance observation port A3-12958230, not the manifold intake recirculation valve.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Good eye, chief. We’ll get a team on that sometime this decade.

Shaun
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Shaun

Don’t you mean, “We’ll get to work establishing an entirely new class of ships based on this variant of random modeler detailing”?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Who needs new classes when you have a 1400-character database’s worth of Basic-numeral variants to fill?

RhysT
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RhysT

I confess I can’t tell if ‘tertiary floozle hub’ was made up…

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’m about 89% sure that was asspulled. Current official technowidgets tend to demand some kind of super-scarce crystal power amplifier shaved off the Fortress of Solitude.

Shaun
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Shaun

Y’all wouldn’t know a graizle beam refractor from a Byson-Hansi fusion splicer if it lept up off a 7H-ductal flange and bit you in the ass.

RhysT
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RhysT

Well now you’re just being silly. Everyone knows the crystals from that fortress are the wrong colour for this season. And that Byson-Hansi fusion splicer can take a long walk off your 7H-ductal flange and eat it into a black hole at a moment’s notice. No, no you need a crystal in silvery white, not that crappy ‘Chantilly’ white like that cape wearing hack makes his house out of. What you ‘really’ need is the scradlow de compleszh/Kuati 6-R8 hyper thyroidal produced sodium based hyper matter crystals. Though I will confess they’re hard to come by this time of year,… Read more »

Shaun
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Shaun

Porg. Pellets.

Astro1derboy
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Astro1derboy

Dang . . . staggering details. LOVE IT!! 🙂

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So if this is all the heavy turbolasers you going to put (unless you put more which I bet is unlikely) then this all add up to 73 turrets.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Ohohoho! The details! This bring tears to me eyes!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Damn, that’s an impressive amount of detail!
(On a sidenote: there seems to be a minor collision with hull geometry on the first of the four side-turrets – some box shaped greeble is intersecting with the base plate of the turret.)

jamesmcgr
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jamesmcgr

holy crap this is so detailed. I love it.

Storm
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Storm

It’s beautiful…
Welcome back fractalsponge

Are you planning on doing a version with the new dual heavy TL turrets seen in Rogue One and the new Battlefront game? I can send some close-up reference screenshots if you’d like.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

So awesome! Fractal, thank you for all your hard work!

beta_520
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beta_520

were the octuples superfiring before? or is this Fractal working magic and solving the 100,000 problems with the Imperial II (as already happened with the LTLs I see)

Anonymous
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Anonymous

What is superfiring?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

‘Superfiring’ basically refers to a turret arrangement where one or more emplacement(s) are placed *just* high enough to fire directly over the next in line, thus allowing a ship’s main guns wider field of fire than you’d get if they were all on the same level (several WWI & WWII battleship designs had that issue).

Unknown Anonymous
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Unknown Anonymous

Noticed that too was wondering if i missed it on other models or had he just fixed this little problem. Anyhow it makes definitely more sense that way. Im so pumped to see the finished one.

beta_520
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beta_520

Yeah I think they were slightly superfiring (stacked vertically so they can fire over each other) just because of the hull shape before, I think this is maybe a bit more pronounced.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

This raised another observation I noticed about the octuple: was it always perfectly flat on the hull’s sloped surface or was it always flushed with the slope and this is a design choice? If not, it’d make some unique advantages of them having a firing arc on things below the vessel’s trench if it was far away enough.

Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28
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Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28

Is this the IMP 1 or 2? I can’t tell yet.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

IMP 2 with the detail of the Avenger.

Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28
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Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 28

I see it now with the bridge. And lack of smaller weapons so far.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Actually there are a lot of light turbolasers and heavy laser cannons around the layers if you look at it close enough.

Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 29
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Grand Fleet Admiral Spaceman 29

So a Imp 2 with the weapons power of the 2 but the variety of the 1?
Weird.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Awesome And some light turbolasers and heavy laser cannons which is neat but no medium turbolasers which is one of the thing I was expecting to be on the Imperator but I’m sure you got the good reason for not adding those.
Also love the oct heavy turbolasers details!

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

When Fractal does the trench detailing, I think you’ll find your medium turbolaser batteries there.

valoren
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valoren

Yes ! triple axial turbos FTW.
By the way, happy new year.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Gotta love those main-turret closeups, PD mounts & general luscious greebling. You remain a crucial bastion of unmitigated SW joy, Fractal.