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Nathan Redder
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Nathan Redder

I love the modular design with various turret attachments. I do wish those single cannons on the side could be swapped out for rotary cannons. Does it have warhead launchers on the belly?

Ben Johnsen
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Ben Johnsen

Top variant is a ‘self-propelled light artillery Turbolaser’ … It’s a SPLAT, a *SPLAT!* XD

Ryadra777
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Looking at the Anti-air variant I think Fractal might have base it on the M163 VAD. (Vulcan Air Defense System)

jean-luc martel
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jean-luc martel

the flak variant looks more like an Urban Combat Vehicle or IFV. what are the specs on these?

Ryadra777
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I was thinking about a idea of the Flame tank variant for the broadsword that replace the main cannon with a large flamethrower and the troop compartment for flamethrower fuel.
Is this a good idea or not?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I’m wondering if a heat ray might be more versatile…

Daib
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Daib

Or just incendiary rockets like the Rooskies eventually replaced their flamethrowers with.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That just sounds too low-tech for me. I’m picturing something like a turret-mounted heat ray ala the Martians in War of the Worlds (the old school version), incinerating people, melting buildings (the ones that don’t spontaneously combust), that kind of thing.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Something like that, but on a wider focus, so it has an area effect.

Shaun
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Shaun

Stay with me… Stay with me… Giant. Magnifying. Glass.

Valoren
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Valoren

why not a plasma thrower. I doubt it would be physics-friendly but not much less than how it’s portrayed in most of sci-fi (bolts encased in a magically self-sustaining energy field, often travelling at subsonic speeds that don’t seem to be affected by gravity etc etc…). Or a larger version of an ion disruptor.

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

Plasma Thowers already exist in star wars anyway they fire explosive bolts of pure plasma, nasty weapons.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

that Gatling blaster might as well be a flamethrower in terms of firepower. a constant stream of plasma bolts at what 6000 rpm?

Anon
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Anon

Nah. Martians have a monopoly on those. Fun idea though.

Jakub
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Jakub

Can the artillery variant fire when it’s not aiming up basically like a normal turret?.

Jakub
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Jakub

What’s the variant with the disc used for?

GeneralVeers
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So the Broadsword is more of a Main Battle Tank equivalent, with the Saber in the role of the AT-ST as an anti-personnel tank and the Scythe being the tank version of an AT-AT?

TheEpicDude
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TheEpicDude

how big is it though

TheEpicDude
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TheEpicDude

amazing

Ryadra777
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It is great to see these variants be made Fractal although it would be extra nice to also see the APC and Main battle tank variants be made.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Seconded.

Daib
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Daib

You’ve already got the Scythe for all your MBT needs, and the APC version would just be a turret-less variant.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The versions mentioned above have already been discussed elsewhere on this site.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill
Ryadra777
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Daib#
The Scythe is a heavy tank which focus more on damage and amour at a cost the speed (Even though they are still fast since they are repulsor-craft and they focus more on deflector shields than armour.) plus they are too big to be a MBT.

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

The whole point of the MBT is that of a universal tank to phase out heavy/medium/light tanks, or infantry/cruiser tanks by the British system. Most of the disadvantages of heavy tanks IRL don’t apply to repulsorlift platforms, so we wouldn’t really get a convergence toward an MBT in Star Wars.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

If anything in the SWU, walkers fill the Infantry Tank role while repulsorlift vehicles act as cruiser tanks.

However, do we really know enough about the relative power vs. mass limitations to say that something like the Scythe wouldn’t have it’s own issues with speed and maneuverability relative to something smaller like the Broadsword or the Saber?

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

There’s a common misconception that WW2 heavy tanks (Churchill excepted) were slow on the tactical level. The Konigstiger could hit 42 kph, which is pretty damn good. The real problem is on the operational/strategic level, where they guzzle oceans of gas, can’t fit on railway cars, can’t go over river bridges or fit on narrow roads, and have transmission breakdowns every 10 kilometers or so. None of that applies to a Scythe, and Star Wars power densities allow for some blistering performance if we assume we can put in something more like a TIE power plant instead of a T-47… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

But inertia is still going to be a factor; even something as light and maneuverable as a pod racer can’t just stop and turn on a dime (RIP Ratts Tyerell). Something the size of the Scythe is still going to be slower to accelerate and slower to turn while at speed than something smaller like the Broadsword. There is also the fact that you can fit (approximately) two Broadswords into the transport volume required for one Scythe, which means you can pack more of them in. Certain types of warfare necessitate smaller, faster platforms that can be more places at… Read more »

Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon

Pod racers shouldn’t be used as a baseline for maneuverability, as the crowd appeal seems to be from using deliberately outdated hardware with air-scoop turbines rather than a modern reactionless thruster. My argument was never that smaller platforms don’t have a niche, but rather that the constraints that eventually killed heavy tank development IRL don’t apply to the Scythe and thus there is no convergence in AFV development towards a universal MBT. If the mission set is reconnaissance sweeps, counter-insurgency, or supply convoy protection, by all means bring along the smaller stuff.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Using pod racers as an example was hyperbole. The point is that even advanced tech in the SWU is still subject to physics and tech limitations in its own way, and film evidence (see the Trade Federation army in TPM, for example) suggests that, even on the march, heavy armored vehicles have some form of speed limitation. So yes, AFV development in the SWU would not be subject to the same restrictions as heavy tanks in the real world. However, there is evidence in the films to suggest that heavy ground vehicles like repulsortanks are subject to certain forms of… Read more »

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

This gives an explanation sort of how it repulsor lift tech works.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Repulsorlift/Legends

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The problem is that, in both films and in canon, there are two broad categories of repulsorlift vehicles: those that behave largely like cars (landspeeders) and those that behave largely like VTOL aircraft (airspeeders and most light starships). There are distinct differences between the performance and operational characteristics of both, with minimal overlap. Landspeeders, in particular, seem to operate within a very narrow envelope above the ground. There is at least one instance in Clone Wars where landspeeder vehicles have use a bridge to cross a canyon (2nd battle for Neimodia, IIRC) rather than simply float across it. An additional… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Well thought out, as always. I took a slightly different path and, rather than having ground vehicles be less expensive, the designers instead decided to trade the maneuverability of a starfighter / transport for heavy armor and weaponry and very powerful shields.

Of course, I’m reverse engineering for a D6 game, and relative cost isn’t particularly inspiring when it comes to writing a story arc for a gaming campaign.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Very nice, indeed. I notice all of these either minimize or completely remove the prominent drum on the rear deck of the standard Broadsword. Is there any way to do the same with the original? Being able to fire effectively to the rear has definite tactical advantages for mobile warfare.

Daib
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Daib

True, but an Earthbound AFV could take several seconds to traverse its hull towards a newly detected threat vector. A flying repulsortank could presumably make that rotation in a fraction of that time.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That doesn’t work for something like covering fire while making a tactical withdrawal. Unless the thing can fly sideways, it will have to stop, turn 90 degrees and sit stationary (making itself an easier target).

Gadji
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very cool

Andrew Clear
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Andrew Clear

What would the traverse on that railgun be? Is it meant to engage larger airborne targets?

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

So now we’ve filled the 2S3 Akatsiya, 2K22 Tunguska, and the TOS-1 slots in CRMcNeill’s Red Imperial org chart. All this mobile artillery needs some dedicated reloading vehicles, eh? Fantastic job as always, Fractal.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

There are going to be some noticeable differences, I think. If nothing else, the Red Army has nothing equivalent to walker-based units. There are aspects of the original ImpSB that are worth including, IMO, such as the distinction between Armored and Mobile Legions. The modern US Army is probably a better analogue for this, with its heavy Armored Divisions and lighter Stryker Brigades. At the moment, the formula is Red Army in general – and in many particulars – incorporating as much of the Sector Group Organization chapter from the ImpSB as possible to maintain connection with the source material,… Read more »

Vons Barador
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Vons Barador

I always thought that a good SWU analog for paratroopers ought to be massed jumptrooper/jetpack assault. That’s the direction I took in my AU, anyhow.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That’s a good one, and certainly viable on a planetary scale. But strategic mobility is one of the big advantages of Airborne troops, and in the SWU, that translates into interstellar distances. One scenario I picture is using orbital drop troops to capture or destroy high-value targets – primarily planetary shield generators, but also potentially enemy command & control assets – before the enemy can react. Per WEG, most planets couldn’t afford to keep their shield generator up all the time, and it took several minutes to bring it up to full power (thus the KDY v-150 ion cannon was… Read more »

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

Sounds like Imp type of AFC troopers

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I’m don’t get the reference. Did you mean ARC Troopers?

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

No I do mean AFC Advance Force Commandos. They are similar to SAS in RL. Edit: ARF Advanced Recon Force
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Recon_Force_trooper/Legends

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

ARC Troopers can fit here as well

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I’m thinking something a bit larger, in battalion or regimental strength, ala a Ranger Regiment or an Airborne Division. There’s absolutely a place for Recon and other Special Forces units, but this would be more of a rapid assault unit, hitting a target hard and fast and holding it until relieved by heavier units. Recon units generally try to stay out of harm’s way and report back intel.

Taghmata Omnissiah
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Taghmata Omnissiah

A railgun!

CFletch
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CFletch

Very nice. The added side guns on the refit turrets are great additions, and that arty plow/stabilizer is a smart modification to the base design that seems to be missing from a lot of canon hover-arty.

Cdr. Rajh
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Cdr. Rajh

Hey maybe you could use that first main cannon on a future capital ship rather than the usual turbolasers! I think that would give the ship a very unique feel!

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

The whole point of the mass driver railgun is to lob ballistic artillery projectiles in an indirect arc. You don’t need that in space. Putting something like this on a Star Destroyer would also sacrifice the ability to actually hit maneuvering targets at typical combat ranges due to the much slower projectile.

Cdr. Rajh
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Cdr. Rajh

Oh, I see..
I was unaware of what the gun was, I just thought it looks pretty damn cool and would look cool on the batteries of a warship.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I dunno, I’d imagine projectiles is actually faster than blaster/laser fire but the only reason it isn’t wide spread is because of the volume the ammunition would take compare to blaster gas storage and overall firepower.

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

Actually not necessarily, there are mass drivers in the star wars universe and mass drivers are a blankt term for railguns, coil guns, gauss guns, slug throwers and
electrothermal cannons ( plasma driven projectiles ). And star wars ships like the Keldabe were fitted with mass driver cannons, for anti-capital ship combat.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Mandalorians love their firepower variations

JamesMCGR
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JamesMCGR

First off, awesome. Second, do you ever sleep?! haha.

Cdr. Rajh
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Cdr. Rajh

Pfft~ Sleep? What’s that?
/sarcasm/