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Noah

The Allegiance-class is better than the Resurgent
Change my mind.

Resurgent Class Battlecruiser
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Resurgent Class Battlecruiser

The resurgent has like 20 times the weapons are bigger over 500 meters fixes some of the design issues of the starship. it is much faster more agile and maneuverable. It has much more powerful weapons sensors shields communications and hyperspace systems. It also carries more point defense and smaller weapons emplacements. Weapons bost faster recharge rates better anti-armor and shield capabilities longer range. It has a faster longer range and better hyperdrive. And it is superior because of its technology tactics and training.

Jonathan C
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Jonathan C

I’ve never seen a weapon larger than a point defense mount on a Resurgent. Do you have any pictures that show the heavy weapons on a resurgent? I’ve never seen them modeled.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

I think each of the twin turrets visible next to the dorsal superstructure in this image is supposed to be roughly equivalent to one of an Imperial-1’s main turrets.comment image
There are also 4 of these turrets on the leading edge of the superstructure, and another 3 pairs of them on either side in the forward trench cutout, though they’re difficult to make out.

Resurgent Class Battlecruiser
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Resurgent Class Battlecruiser

They might be octuple just like with the imperial class this warship has like 3,000 heavy turbolaser and ion cannons. More than I think.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

The ICS fairly clearly shows that those are twin turrets, not octuple batteries.
ICS also states “more than 3,000 turbolasers and ion cannons” as its weapons stat, it does not say “heavy turbolasers,” just “turbolasers,” meaning that the vast majority of them could be twin light turbolaser turrets for point defence. This would make sense of (spoilers?) the suborned PD turret on the Steadfast having the firepower to destroy the bridge.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

Meant to put this in my previous:comment image

Resurgent Class Battlecruiser
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Resurgent Class Battlecruiser

The Resurgent class has 8 massive turbolaser batteries per side just the Imperial-class. and Multiple forward-facing heavy turbolaser batteries in front of the starship. But they can be hard to spot because of how the ship is molded the lore works and how the books and secondary source materials can be with all three of those things. They are much faster charging longer range and deliver much greater firepower per shot the much older Imperial era weapons emplacements of the old warships. You are more than welcome to stay and talk with the rest of us if you want to… Read more »

Nicholas Brown
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Nicholas Brown

Noah, anything from Disney is inferior to the EU.

Arlen L Smith
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Arlen L Smith

The Allegiance is a far more “realistic” (believable) ship than the resurgent class, simply because the resurgent class has three THOUSAND turbo lasers and ion cannons, which is more (numerically) than a flipping SSD. The Allegiance, however, is designed by someone with a sense of respect for legends and EU material sources and limitations, meaning it is not just made to make the bad guys look invincible and not just a worthless knock-off of the Chad Galactic Empire.

DVD UWU
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DVD UWU

This is only my opinion, and it doesn’t take into account things like power-generation and other necessary ship functions in-universe, so don’t expect anything on the level of an article fit for the journal, Science. Also, my argument is not against Ansel, who I believe is an absolute phenom when it comes to designing ships using SW design philosophies. It’s against SW starship design philosophy overall from an IN-UNIVERSE perspective. TL;DR: I actually personally believe the Resurgent is MORE believable than the ISD itself, and by extension the Executor and Allegiance. Also, Executor has 2k turbos, 2k heavy turbos, and… Read more »

Ryadra777
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So continuing on from my post about making the multi-role variant of the Allegiance here my ideas of that variant which could be called Castigator. 1. Change all quad 175 teratons heavy turbolasers (Both turret and ball) and single ball 720 teratons heavy turbolasers into quad 70 teratons heavy turbolasers. (Although for the quad flanks turrets it would be that or Octuple 40 teratons) Keep the heavy ion cannons the same though. 2. Add the hanger bay similar to the Imperator’s bay but longer, a bit wider and a bit deeper. The sides will be one medium fighter bay each… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I could halfway see switching to more rapid-firing main guns if engaging multiple capital targets at once became a priority, but the tradeoff to restore small-craft & ground vehicle capacity seems redundant unless (a) Allegiances are the heaviest asset a given naval faction/sector group/whatever fields and (b) you have at least a handful to spare.

Ryadra777
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Well the main role of the Allegiance is well as Fractal said a fleet combatant so this variant will not do great at it. So I think this variant’s main role will be a flagship for a small destroyer squadron (like around 3-5 ships) that don’t need a light cruiser a.k.a the Urbanus. If anyone ask yes I am aware of the Secutor having that role as well, but I can see some commodores using this ship over the Secutor if the enemy ship squadron they facing don’t require so many fighters to destroy them, need some heavier weaponry to… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The only gaming stats I ever saw for the Allegiance made it multi-purpose (essentially an up-sized Imperator), so your description fits with the way I always pictured the Allegiance to be up until I saw the Fractal version.

That being said, I’ve somewhat warmed to the idea of the Allegiance as a “battleship” counterpart to the Secutor’s “carrier” so I could go either way. I’m interested to see where this goes, as my own conception of the SWU has long been toward big multi-purpose platforms once a certain size is reached.

Ryadra777
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So Fractal looking at the underneath of the Allegiance’s bridge why didn’t it have complex greebles like the Imperator and the Bellator?

Like these for example:
Imperator:comment image
Bellator:comment image

Eric
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Eric

Quick question…Is it ok to make a print out and frame one of your awesome renders for person viewing? I recently saw someone use it in a Youtube video and was wondering if I would need permission to have someone print one for me or if it is strictly off limits. I respect your work too much to just take it and if it was allowed I would like permission 🙂 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCCvUB5n74 @ 13min if interested).

StormCommando
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StormCommando

How would this stack up against the Resurgent?

All kyber crystal shenanigans aside, I think that this would win – it’s a lot bulkier. And the ICS for the Resurgent doesn’t do it any good – the reactor in that image is tiny…

Which makes you wonder – how do ‘compact hypermatter reactors’ stack up against normal hypermatter reactors in output to volume ratio? It can’t be that much better or all warships would have compact reactors.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

I suspect that ‘compact hypermatter reactors’ were developed by the First Order/Kuat Entralla Engineering and their technology is a jealously guarded secret. I have nothing to base this on, but if it’s true, it would explain why no one else uses them. I don’t have the ICS with me, so I can’t check anything tight now.
Regarding Resurgent vs Allegiance, I guess it depends on how well the reactors match up.

Resurgent Class Battlecruiser
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Resurgent Class Battlecruiser

If the Finalizer is about twice the size for easy scale it should be 64 times heavier and the cube of that more power generation. The fuel is likely far denser on the scale of at least a preon star. Likely hundreds of quintillions times denser than water or something like that. Preon stars are hundreds of millions of times denser than neutron stars anyway so something at least that dense. And has 2 secondary reactors.

Naradus
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Naradus

How long did this take, and in what software did you model this? I’d be interested in knowing.

Unnamed
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Unnamed

Fractal uses 3DS max. for how long it took, I really don’t know.

Ryadra777
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Ok Fractal since you may didn’t saw the question that I have posted i’l ask again.
What the polygon count for the new Allegiance?

DarthKarnage
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DarthKarnage

I would love it if you had a shot from the bridge viewport area , just so we could see what it would be a little like commanding this ship…

Just a thought.

wusolja
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wusolja

@Jonathan C

41 dual defense turrets pointing aft
53 dual defense turrets each, pointing left and right
17 dual defense turrets pointing forward
6 quad turrets ventral
16 quad turrets each, pointing left and right
3 quad turrets pointing forward
12 quad turrets pointing aft
9 ball turrets total (ion guns?)
6 Heavy quad guns each, pointing left and right

seems like the total armament for this ship!/?

Ragnrok
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Ragnrok

That 14th shot is so epic!

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Oh man what a beautiful ship…

OmegaS
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OmegaS

‘Lets shoe horn a star cruiser into as small a hull as possible’, the ship. Beyond the lack of flexibility, I imagine that it has well above average maintenance and logistical requirements for something its volume. If you have a fleet large enough to justify a relative specialist like this, it can work well, but only if you have an actual need for it. Generally, the Empire needed coverage above all else, which its obsession with big ships didn’t help with. Rather than the ISDs, a far lesser number of Allegiances supported by a far larger fleet of sub-capitals would… Read more »

Des
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Des

Believe it or not, the Allegiance-Class needed support of fighters. They would rip and tear through anything larger than a corvette. It operated basically as a cheaper Bellator SSD in hunting down ships and blowing them to smithereens.

Hecatomb
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Hecatomb

I personally think this is what the First Order destroyer should have been. Not a completely new design, but late-generation Imperial warships that eluded the New Republic following the battle of Endor. It would have made much more sense for the First Order to build its fleet from the Imperial Remnant, and perhaps we could have then seen the Bellator and Assertor on screen.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I mean, we get enough (justified, in my opinion) complaints about First Order assets resembling Imperial gear too much and if this showed up on the big screen, I’ll rant even harder. However, I love this design and I wouldn’t mind seeing it from an expanded universe source, though.

Anon
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Anon

Except Disney blatantly rejected anything of the Expanded Universe with common sense out the waste-chute of their dumb-ass corporate empire. They refused to look at what could have been salvaged and made up their usual mickey mouse crap.

Jonathan C
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Jonathan C

Can’t wait for some committed soul to count all the guns on this one. (particularly the medium quads and pd combos)

Twitcheh
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Twitcheh

There are at least 20.

Steve
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Steve

I’d say more than four *nods*

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I mean, if we want to be accurate, greater than or equal to 1 is the number you want.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

234 point-defense seems considerably less than what goes through my head for a ship nearly twice the size of ISD for some reason…

STONEhenk
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STONEhenk

~2.5 times ISD volume. Don’t know how that translates to surface but his ISD redux has 83 point-defense turrets. So it seems considerably more.

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Don’t forget that larger MTL and even HTL batteries can engage fighters with those flak bursts we always see, even if their efficacy at hitting named characters is in the toilet.

AlexHurlbut
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AlexHurlbut

I always thought the flak bursts were from the laser bolts impacting their shields without punching through.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Or energy blasts impacting with debris.

Adam J
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Adam J

Speaking of Cross-Sections, do you have any plans on making some on here for your more custom designs?

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Well we would expect the Lucrehulk as a converted freighter rather than a dedicated warship to be proportionally under-armed and poorly optimized for combat. Besides, an Allegiance without a fighter complement is far more vulnerable to fighter attack and thus reliant on PD than a Lucrehulk with ten thousand vultures.

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

That’s true Fractal but it was only the pre-war variant that had only 42 quad turbolasers.

The actual war lucrehulk had about 700-800 weapons on it.

Daib
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Daib

Would we ever see you mount a missile-based PD system, like SeaRAM, or just pure gun fits?

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

I wanted to say that the Star Wars aesthetic is supposed to be WW2 in Space, not Cold War gone Hot in Space, but then I remembered that the Unrotated Projectile and the Henschel Hs 297 Föhn were a thing. Carry on.

rodney
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rodney

Sir, do you have any plans or are you working on the executor? I like this ship very much

TheEpicDude
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TheEpicDude

this is truly amazing, love it

Steven Cross
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Steven Cross

whilst I know the Alliegiance class is a real thing in canon, this is my headcanon take on Fractal’s version. Thoughts and comments are most welcome! Allegiance class Battlecruiser The so called ‘Heavy Star Destroyer Project’ came about due to a doctrinal holdover from the Clone Wars. In the Clone Wars the Republic navy used the Venator class as its general purpose craft and deployed the Victory class Star Destroyer as a pure anti-ship vessel. The Victory’s greater firepower and durability let it outlast and outgun CIS Warships, even larger ships like the Lucrehulk and Providence class ships were outgunned… Read more »

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Excellent headcanon! I just thought that perhaps instead of dating the origin back to the days of the Clone Wars, perhaps the origin should have its roots in the Tarkin Doctrine? After all inciting fear and the concept of capital ship superiority is a result of such ideology.

Steve
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Steve

Oooh I like that idea Phantom 😀

Jonathan C
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Jonathan C

Ahh very nice. I thought I remembered the three center ball cannons mentioned as superheavy 600-700 TT turbolasers though. If that is the case, than the 4 (2 on each side) ball mounts perhaps have triple ions in them, with the center side ball mounts having quad 150-250 TT turbos in them.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Because of the difference in naming conventions, I would think an Allegiance would be a Rendili project. All of the KDY ships are agent nouns (as in, an entity that performs an action) – Imperator, Venator, Acclamator, Tector, Executor, etc. – whereas Victory and Allegiance are both abstract nouns (as in, referring to an idea, quality or condition).

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

So we’re just discounting the Eclipse, Nebulon-B, Vigil, Star Galleon, Pelta, Ton-Falk, Arquitens, Broadside, Vengeance, and whatever the Arc Hammer was? KDY makes plenty of ships that don’t follow that convention.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I suppose it depends on what degree of chaotic schizophrenia you’re willing to accept from the EU.

Daib
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Daib

I don’t think you can get more canon than the Nebulon B, and the Pelta/Arquitens come pretty close.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Naming conventions shift based on size/mission of craft. A Navy could easily feature both large capital ships classified by agency nouns and dinky convoy escorts classified by numeric designators, like the Royal Navy’s alphabet series. The Allegiance is close enough in size to things like the Imperator, Venator, Secutor, etc, to be part of the same “type” insofar as naming convention.

And the backstory of the Pelta / Arquitens stem from the same story group that made the MC75 from Rogue One a converted building, so again, it’s up to you how much chaotic schizophrenia you want to accept.

Anon
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Anon

TBH, the Arc Hammer was a specialist factory ship. It only existed to be a mobile space-borne factory for the DT program. I refer to it as the term used by Command and Conquer; M.C.V. (Mobile Construction Vehicle.) But more of a specialized mobile droid barracks for specific autonomous non-organic infantry.

StormCommando
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StormCommando

Great background, sounds very plausible. Bit of a mistake at the beginning though, imo: you say the Victory could go toe to toe with the Lucrehulk – did you mean 1 on 1? If so, this is underestimating the LH. Based on the size of all its reactors, its listed shield strength and its weapons, its power output is almost certainly around 7.7e25w – making it 8 times more powerful than an ISD-II (while 22 times bigger, it has a much lower overall:reactor volume ratio because it’s a carrier and its ‘mandibles’ are enormous, with none of that space dedicated… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Fair assessment WRT cruiser-refitted Lucrehulks being more than a single Vic (or even a Vic+-Venator 2-ship) should be expected to slug it out with, though I suspect a deftly-helmed Allegiance could just about solo one depending on who gets off the first telling volley.

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Lucrehulks have sizable reactors, but commercial power plants optimized for cost-efficiency and long-haul reliability probably don’t stack up to military reactors designed for maximum surge output. Lucrehulks are also incredibly unmanueverable, and while an Allegiance can’t dance like a Victory, it sure as hell would be able to evade much more return fire than the Lucrehulk. To make things even more lopsided, the Lucrehulk’s firing arcs are pretty awful, while an Allegiance would be able to pound it with its full armament, making this not really a contest. A single well-handled Imperator might even be able to take on a… Read more »

Zarrov
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Zarrov

ISD version 2.0. Once presented next to each other this really looks like Allegiance class should be renamed ISD II. I never understood the lack of fighters on Allegiance. This is a huge ship, 2.2 km, it is unfathomable that they couldn’t squeeze in at least the same amount of fighters as ISD has. I get why lore-wise such decision was made but it seems not to make much sense.

gejemica
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gejemica

Venators and ISDs are both middle-of-the road ships that are part battleship, part carrier.

The Venator steers more towards the carrier side, the ISD more towards the battleship side.

A dedicated carrier will always be more effective in that role than one that sacrifices hangar space for more firepower. A dedicated battleship will always be more effective in that role than one that sacrifices firepower for hangar space.

Take a Venator’s carrier side to the extreme and you get the Secutor.
Take the ISD’s battleship side to the extreme and you get the Allegiance.

Steve
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Steve

Also Zarrov and gejemica you might wanna look at my post above your one with the headcanon idea for the Alliegiance.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Imperial combat doctrine (stemmed from Tarkin Doctrine) never paid much attention to the effectiveness of starfighter combat, as to them, the fighters isn’t the thing that win battles and conquer/hold systems, but rather the warships is the one with such a responsibility. Not to mention this ship is just full of anti-air batteries, additional hangar space is just a waste of interior that could be used for other things.

Valoren
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Valoren

I think the allegiance actually has a small launch bay where the secondary shuttle bay would be on a standard ISD (which make sense really, there has to be a way for the crew to get in and out). No idea if it can accommodate fighters though…

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

It probably could fit a few fighters, just like you could potentially fit an AV-8B Harrier II in the hangar bay of a Burke destroyer IRL, but they don’t do that because fighter coverage for the fleet is better served by specialist vessels.

Sam
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As 3D artist myself, I’ve never been able to get the sort of blue-gray material with the hull plates. Is it a bit too silly to ask for a hex value? 😛 I’ve gone all over google for hull plating textures etc, I’ve got a python script to generator plates and greebles, but where do you get these images from? Would you share them?

Ryadra777
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Nice another redux done. There are 2 things I want to ask you about Fractal.
1. What the polygon count on this redux?
2. Will the Procursator get a redux as well?

Steven A Futrell
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Steven A Futrell

id love to see you do the Titan class Stealth Dreadnought.

Steve
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Steve

Stunningly good! There’s definately a brutal power to her clean lines!

Arvenski
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Arvenski

That is incredible. My god.

RhysT
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RhysT

Question. I know anything to do with the Sequel Trilogy is sorta a source of much controversy, but is there any chance we’ll eventually see ships from those movies depicted by you? Say the Resurgent class or something?

Daib
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Daib

This thing has made it to 5+ EAW mods of varying caliber, and it’s laughably under-gunned in every single one of them.

gejemica
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gejemica

Based on sheer volume it would be about 2 and a half times as powerful as an ISD, but the reactor is proportionally much bigger so who knows.

The important factor is that it looks pretty.

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

I’d say all except the EAW Remake-Light

That one it has 12 octuple barbette turbolasers, like 40-60 missile launchers as well as at least 20-50 minimum other light laser cannons, point defense or light turbolaser batteries.

Twitcheh
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Twitcheh

SECONDED on the EAW Remake-Light version of the mod. Holy hell. That thing is a straight up beast. I’m late game right now, swapping ISD-II’s with them. Those missiles are definitely powerful.

Phoenixx
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Phoenixx

Yeah easily one of the most cost effective and powerful ships in the mod and just a powerful ship in general.

And yeah it’s heavy missiles are no joke, still not as powerful as the super heavy ones the Kandosii has though.