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spacejam45
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spacejam45

So does the Mandator 3 just look like this but larger and more weapons?

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Somewhat out-of-left-field thought: how do Bellator & Legator compare thrust-wise? The latter seems to be packing extra-beefy nacelles for its volume.

Sebastian Palm
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Sebastian Palm

Not sure if this was answered elsewhere and I just missed it, but do you still consider the old version to be an existing ship and this one as a “Bellator II” variant, or does this one completely replace the old version in your canon of ship designs? (Same question goes for the other Redux ships). Also, it would be very interesting to know if you had some ideas for the amount of crew per weapons mount of each of the types you’ve created, as well as how many crew would be involved in a wing of TIEs – it… Read more »

Revan
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Revan

A Tie wing is 72 Tie fighters or 6 Squadrons of 12.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Which isn’t all that helpful when looking at personnel numbers. The closest thing to official numbers is the Army Ground Support Wing, with 40 TIEs (24 Fighter, 12 Bomber, 4 Fire Control), 40 pilots, 25 sensor techs, 25 flight controllers and 60 ground crew personnel. If you break down those numbers, for every TIE, you have 1 pilot, 1.5 ground crew, 0.625 flight controllers and 0.625 sensor techs. Assuming most mundane and clerical tasks are handled by droids, and that the personnel ratios per craft remain constant, a wing of 72 TIEs would have 72 pilots, 108 ground crew, 45… Read more »

JIM8451
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JIM8451

I’m curious as to why it’s now considered a dreadnought as opposed to a battlecruiser? The new details are fantastic, by the way.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

As I understand it: notably thicker bow, more main (and secondary?) reactor space, more main guns to match. Dunno if acceleration’s maintained or somewhat reduced WRT the original, but the relatively lesser ventral heavy-turret count implies a design still dependent more on aggressive maneuvering than all-round coverage.

Silvestris
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Silvestris

I believe you are correct, as it says somewhere on the wiki that the in-universe designers wanted a more manuverable ship that still could outgun most threats, and run away from others. Not that Imperials would run away regardless…

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Eh, the ‘no retreat’ thing strikes me as dependent on (a) how overmatched the commanding officer(s) feel (which might not have been too common pre-ROTJ) and (b) how much pressure’s on from immediate superiors (on a vague scale from ‘sector moff’ to ‘any Sith representatives’). Barring (b), naval strategists seem to be more careful about putting costly resources (e.g. capital craft) in harm’s way than other military branches.

Daib
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Daib

One of the few consistencies between the old EU and the Disneyboot is that the Imperial fleet at Endor fled instead of standing their ground after losing the second Death Star.

We tend to think that Imperial fleet officers are authoritarian but essentially normal human beings, not frothing maniacs…. although the First Order might have that niche cornered.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Speaking of the ST’s neo-Imps & morale blows, I’d *love* to know whether losing their latest (literal) Death Star & Palpy stand-in took some wind outta the FO’s sails. Hell, I’m still headscratching WRT *nobody* at Space Monaco gawking at a fuzzy holo of Starkiller going pop.

Daib
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Daib

Repeat after me: JJ and Rian are not good worldbuilders. Lucas couldn’t write the romance in the prequels, but he must be almost equal to Tolkien at creating a universe.

Azure
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Azure

The Bellator has always been classified as a Dreadnought, not sure where you got the idea that it was a battleship.

But it’s always been a dreadnought that was more lightly armed but had superior speed enabling it to hunt down smaller faster ships or flank/outmaneuver bigger slower ships.

The main difference now is that Fractal changed it so now it has a more powerful reactor, thicker hull and not only more powerful weaponry but more numerous weaponry.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Pretty sure our host considered the slimmer original model upper-end battlecruiser-grade; then it got a mention and lore-tweaking in the now-Legends Essential Guide to Warfare, which made the ‘dreadnought’ designation official (for a little while-no Disneyboot material I’ve seen has namedropped Bellator yet).

Ragnrok
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Ragnrok

I’m excited

Eric Otness
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Eric Otness

Congratulations on finishing the Redux version. You’ve really come a long way, especially when this was one of your first renders, and based on a comic version, no less.

Speaking of which, ever considered doing an artwork derived from this comic scan from Dark Empire (comment image/revision/latest?cb=20100224015356 )? You’ve gotten at least two of the vessels in there (the Bellator and the Procursator). Consider it… a bit of a celebration for updating the Bellator-class dreadnought render. Plus, it would act as a very good homage to where the Bellator and Procursator technically originated from.

Ryadra777
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You forgot the third one the Secutor. (The one just above the Bellator)

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

I would like to see his Modeler Task Force Cruiser 1st

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Seconded.

Shaun
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Shaun

Thirded.

Joannes808
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Joannes808

Considering that almost the entirety of the fleet in this shot are either Imperials, Allegiances, or Procursators framing around the one Bellator and Secutor near the middle, all that would leave (apart from the small freighter) to the left would the the Modeler near the bottom (a long time favorite that I would love to one day see given the Fractal tough).

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

There are some debate whether there were all ISD n ASD or another class or even the artists’ free hand

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Can we please have a comparison of old model and the redux side by side? Just to sho how much your skills developed since then!

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Suffering sithspit, what an revision. Main-gun array, hull/fantail taper & reactor mountings all palpably (argh) beefed-up whilst retaining most of its Dark Empire(C) source-doodle’s aesthetic flow.

locus
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locus

so when will you do another ship size chart

Bluegraine
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Bluegraine

Hey Fractal, super nice job on the redux, any chance you’ll upload a full suite of images on your Nebula model, since it seems there’s only one picture of it in the archives?

Alecin
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Alecin

Just give this Man a crown and his leading position at Lucasfilm and shut the f*** up..

Just freaking awsome, dude… unbelievable

James
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James

Wow dude! That’s awesome

Charles
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Charles

What happened to the hexagonal array of (presumably) quad turbolasers in front of the central ‘ridge’? I may have missed the change in a different WIP

Steve
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Steve

My god she’s magnificent! Did we ever get a final count on the number of turbo’s and other weapons on her or her fighter compliment? The details are JAW DROPPING, the work that went into this is stunning!

Arvenski
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Arvenski

That level of detail is incredible. Must’ve been a ton of work, but it’s turned out great.

gthompsn
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gthompsn

My favorite FractalSponge ship gets a major upgrade!!!

00Shot
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00Shot

Epic redux. The original is still good and my old favorite, but this is my new favorite. Is it the same size as the original or bigger? Also, what is fighter the fighter compliment for this beauty?

Valoren
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Valoren

According to fractal, the new model is now 7,5 km instead of 7,2.

Guest
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Guest

fantastic work. Is there any chance you could put that starry backdrop on a few more of the shots?

Robert Branca
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Thank you Mr fractal Sponge really love this ship

Taghmata Omnissiah
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Taghmata Omnissiah

Awesome beyond any level.

JAMESMCGR
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JAMESMCGR

The Assertor and Bellator shot is perfection.

Joshua
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Joshua

Oh, it’s beautiful.

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

Beat me 2 it