Basilisk War “Droid” WIP#1

Commissioned piece. This comes from the Old Republic era comics, and in the original iteration were frankly totally insane. There were Mandalorians riding these droid like vehicles in vacuum without a cockpit, and the original was something that looked like a trilobite meets an Opee from the prequels, with unusable limbs that seemed to be there just for show. Some of the art later got more functional looking, but still the idea seemed nuts to me. To impose some sort of order on the design and the concept, I figured it was basically a flying Robotech style mech/fighter.

The legs can either grab or walk, depending on the mode. There’s some precedent in my older stuff with the Zeta carry-all, and I figure this was an older attempt at a combat version of the same basic idea. Walker mode is basically to slide under shielding and overawe infantry, or offer some level of mobility in poor repulsorlift environments. Once under a shield, it can offer aircraft mobility via repulsorlift, though not starfighter performance. But in either mode, it offers nowhere near the efficiency of dedicated surface or flying vehicles. Perhaps marginally less crazy than the original design, and hopefully cooler looking.

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Ladies and gents, for the last few months some folks have asked if there’s potential for a Fractalsponge Community Discord to better keep track of all the ridiculous arguments we have here.

So, I’d like to see how much interest there is before I set one up. Link below.

https://forms.gle/vAiWZM3ax6keHdweA

Frank Rizzo
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Frank Rizzo

I love it!

Frank Rizzo
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Frank Rizzo

Ah, a Val Varo from Gundam 0083. 🙂

QueazyAK
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QueazyAK

The “Hands” remind me of the Omnidroid from The Incredibles.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

So, basically what you have here is a… sky walker? 0:-)

Silent Disapproval Robot
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Silent Disapproval Robot

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

LMAO

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Best username & one-line reaction I’ve seen in ages.

Shaun
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Shaun

I can’t take all the credit… I remember some Harvard (or was it Yale?) grads had built one of the first chatbots online and it never worked, but one of the bot’s ‘personas’ (that was actually probably a grad student getting paid to respond) was ‘Silent Disapproval Robot’… That was back in…1999…I think?

But I use it on occasion where it’s very important, though…

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Well played. The dad joke was just too awful to keep to myself, and the response was more than worth it.

jamallamadingdong
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jamallamadingdong

Agreed.

LazerZ
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LazerZ

I actually rather like the original design, insane as it is. However, this take on it is pretty dang awesome.

Steven A Futrell
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Steven A Futrell

Have you ever thought about doing ships from the hyperspace wars? Those ancient sith vessels were just so beautiful. I think you would do them some serious justice.

Valoren
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Valoren

Frankly guys, I don’t really get your gripes with the concept…

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’d be eyerolling less if those things were supplementing infantry stuff. Jousting maneuvers vs. starfighters just flips my ‘gimme a kriffin’ break’ switch.

Valoren
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Valoren

That I understand, but fundamentally, as a ground-support unit they’re not worst than speeder bikes, in fact they’re significantly better armed and more robust. And yeah, the rider is exposed, but you have to keep in mind that that thing is supposedly a semi-autonomous droid.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Agreed in full they actually make *more* sense than many SW open-cockpit atmospheric vehicles. Keyword there being ‘atmospheric’.

Valoren
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Valoren

Well, canonically a TIE is not that much more voluminous and its pilot is also fully exposed to the vacuum of space. The vulture is all at once a walker, a droid and a starfighter… what I’m saying is that, in a star wars setting, it’s not as far-fetched an idea as it’s made out to be. Obviously the lack of cockpit would be handicapping in other way (notably from an inertial dampener or reentry friction point of view) but yeah… and also, sorry but I find it immensely badass.

Valoren
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Valoren

…and kinda cute in a big, derpy way.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Eh, besides expanded perching options Vultures are fairly stock snub material. Aesthetic preferences are understandable, though. Starting to wonder what those things would look like with a bunch of scaled-up lightsabers fitted to the schnozz-holes.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I think inertial dampeners just projects an area of effect, so it shouldn’t matter if you are in the cockpit or not – if memory serves, the Lady Luck even got a section that is like a “balcony” with atmosphere bubble and such and it’s safe to assume dampeners work out there too. And reentry, if you ignore Canderous’ boast about his armor glowing red hot (which while I’ll give beskar a lot of miracles properties, insane heat insulation isn’t one of them), Tales of the Jedi comic briefly mentioned that they got energy shielding so maybe there would be… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Well, presumably ships with dampener/pressure-curtained ‘balcony/skylight’ areas aren’t expecting said areas to be in use during combat, what with factoring in debris/radiation/flash hazards *besides* direct hits. Unless we’re talking vacuum-armored boarding party action, in which case airlocks still strike me as more practical.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

A presence of particle shielding should also provide some protection against stray debris, though if the rider crouch down like a motorcycle, they would present themselves very little cross section to be hit with by things that wouldn’t already hit the Basilisk. But as you have mentioned, their specialty is really on the ground to support infantry so they aren’t in any more danger than a typical speeder bike grunt. (in regards to your gripe against their usage against starfighters, if you look at the KotOR comic reference pic, you will see Mandos actually using starfighters for majority of the… Read more »

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I take it you’re referring to personnel mucking around in pressure curtain/dampener-bubble areas of a starship in combat? This reply chain ran *just* long enough to get a tad confusing.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Good time as any to advocate again for a local Discord! Even if you don’t use the voicechat (as I don’t) it coould be easier to keep track of convos.

Legionary
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Legionary

Gorkmalork well you gotta remember that the mandalorians of that time wore beskar armor and beskar is virtually indestructible so them having open cockpits isn’t so bad in addition to that the Basilisks are semi-sentient and were bonded to their riders that and also the riders themselves did wear harness’s of a sort to keep them from falling off of them.

And all of this allowed the Basilik to function in a variety of roles such as a infantry supporter, vehicle destroyer, they could attack capital ships or fight with fighters, they were kind of the ultimate multi-role vehicle.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

…I’ll buy ‘unusually durable alloy,’ but ‘unobtainium so tough your pilots/drivers don’t need any other protection’? Especially in space combat? Waaay too close to Sun Crusher-tier techno-wank for my tastes. Especially if it’s common enough that one could armor an entire conventional fleet.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Guess I’ll join your side on this aspect: Neo-Crusader armors are probably just conventional durasteel/plastoid since it has to be mass-produced to an insane scale of assimilation they went through on the Mandalorian Wars. Beskar is probably reserved for those with still individualistic armor like the Mandalore.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

It’s not even the strongest SW metal compared to the likes of Phrik; a container of which survived the Alderaan blast. But yes, I agree, aside from being essentially MCU Vibranium of SW metallurgy, beskar is something that does need some nerfing (aside from how heavy it is) – perhaps something we will see in the upcoming Mando show? Protagonist might have beskar armor considering how he shrugged off rounds that would kill any random grunt with plastoid “armor”.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

It was on the planet’s surface I believe, and yeah, while planet might be shattered (and is now an asteroid field) a metal box just being unscathed from all that does push it a bit for me.

gthompsn
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gthompsn

MUCH better than the original comic concept. I am not so keen on the limbs-with-shields that extend from the tail: what is their purpose?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

The description covers Fractal’s Zeta-class ship, it’s to grab and carry things.

gthompsn
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gthompsn

Thanks, I missed it when I read through stuff the first time.

Shaun
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Shaun

I like that the concept works at a fundamental level as a work-all or utility tug–adapted from their industrial works or ship-building heritage–and adapted out of necessity to suit their rapid militarization and/or specific needs for capturing resources/material.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

…dunno how I tuned those things out on my last KOTOR collection readthrough; maybe the snazzy Republic dounut-battlewagons and weaponized asteroid slugs (sorry, exogorths) were just distracting enough. But honestly: if that era’s Mandos were sharp enough at space warfare to make an OR defensive blockade look like lobotomized nerf calves (via the brilliant ‘lob BDZ warheads *through/around* said fleet’ approach), things you *ride* have no place besides *maybe* superheavy speeder bike-style armed recon. Also, I keep expecting one or more of those Aureks to sprout limbs & turn this into a Transformers crossover.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

The Serroco incident shouldn’t be taken as an example of Mando ideology though, for it’s more of a demonstration of power/contempt. Otherwise they would just be brazen and charge right on in to prove themselves worthy for personal glory, which is where the exposure of the rider comes in.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Gotta admit that this whole ‘normally they’d just be throwing everything into a spaceborne cavalry charge’ angle does not exactly boost my respect for OR-era Mando tactical acumen. Sometimes I wonder if they were one of many SW odds & ends that could’ve *remained* a mystery without much loss.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Mando never really bother with tactics, it’s something worth noting that while their culture is assimilation-based, the only time they fight for keeps is during the Mandalorian Wars. Before that, they were war-glorifying bunch that charges into the strongest possible opponent to prove themselves and then back to wherever they came from, and after the war, fragmented into the underworld seeking personal glory and it practically remained that way. (Unless you go the TCW route)

n/a
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n/a

lowkey nightmare inducing

Shaun
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Shaun

Kinda like all those Gen I Impstars with giant lasers plugging their hanger holes…
[From the new SWIX trailer.]

Ryadra777
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Yeah like the Fulminatrix, ugh.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Please don’t let that be the Tector…

Shaun
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Shaun

Nah… That would be too…deep? deliberate? meta? calculated? willful?

Something like that.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I also gotta headscratch WRT those ludicrously tight Space Box Formations(C). The Nu-Rebel freighter fleet bit looks especially collision-prone.

Daib
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Daib

Hopefully, the fleet shot is just a staging area photo formation and they split up for the fight against the Nu-Katana fleet. At least there’s a lot of easter eggs for us dedicated ship-watchers in the shot from every era.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

But how else would JJ flex ILM’s vehicle asset and cover up his inability to forge new ship design (cause he don’t understand SW design language [refer to: TFA, Finn’s electrobinoculars in trailer]) in a single shot?

PhoenixKnight
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PhoenixKnight

Is Finn’s more bulky than Luke’s in ANH?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

It just look like someone took a small normal binocular, snap it in half, and glue it underneath a bigger normal binocs.

Valoren
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Valoren

I also love how it insist specifically on the binocs, as if to say « remember that detail from the OT, we’ve got one too ! » except not as good or iconic… just like everything else in the new trilogy.
I think the ISDs shown in the trailer are the same models used for rogue one and solo.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Cripes, right out of the current Marvel run-specifically, the ‘Mutiny At Mon Calamari’ arc, where we see a couple destroyers bombarding something with said hangar-lazors. Did peeps just…forget Impstars can roll & their main guns are all the DETH(C) an unshielded surface target would need?

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Maybe they’re getting their impression of Impstar main battery potency from that clip in Rebels where they barely have the concussive power of hand grenades and none of the fragmentary killing potential.

Also, there should be no way that they deem the new Siege-Destroyer a Tector, as Leeland Chee confirmed that the hangarless ISD from ROTJ was a Tector.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

I’ll admit to immense misgivings WRT that other trailer bit where main characters seem to be riding some flavor of space llama down the upper starboard side of what almost looks like an Executor. They pass right beneath an admittedly PD-scale dual turret as it’s firing with zero concern.

Ryadra777
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They don’t exactly look like Llamas, they more like a hybrid between the Llama’s body and the Entelodont’s mouth, a.k.a The Hell Pig, with tiny elephant tusks.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Sounds more interesting than TLJ’s racetrack beasties. Not sure what they’re doing in the middle of fleet maneuvers-maybe someone cracked open a livestock container.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

Perhaps they’re out of speeders and similar, but the mission requires that they land on a point defence blind spot (possibly created by battle damage, possibly by wear and tear from the ship being wherever it’s been these past decades) a long way away from their entry point, and traverse the hull quickly. The ‘gotta go fast’ mission requirements could combine with the lack of technological fast vehicles to necessitate the use of space horses.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Sounds fair-ish if this is some kinda naval-yard infiltration gig involving a ‘light supply accident’, and the tug jockeys are too busy having an impromptu hydrospanner duel to run a proper starmustang headcount.

Shaun Smakal
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Shaun Smakal

I can basically GUARANTEE that whatever the reason is, it won’t make nearly as much sense as that.

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Sad but true. 50 creds says we’re in for a ‘leap from ship to ship’ chase scene.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

“Our dedicated siege pizza destroyer didn’t even rack up a single casualty last bombardment, we will get them this time with a fleet of old ships retrofitted with it!”

gorkmalork
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gorkmalork

Come to think of it, those theater shield-poppers wouldn’t look too bad in a proper dreadnought’s bow. Destroyer-scale versions might be good for alpha-striking Golan-style fixed platforms.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

I’d prefer an open cockpit concept. Sure, it’s insane, but Mandalorians usually dislike relying on heavy machinery to do combat for them. One way to think of it is Bes’uliik as their trusty steed and not a siege platform. As for purpose, it has two main purposes: rapid deployment, something in line of a dropship and speed boost in a straight line to get to the battlefield as fast as possible all the while wreaking the most havoc with those archaic shockwave generator rods; and if in atmosphere, low altitude air support, something more of a gunship than a fighter… Read more »

Ryadra777
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Very interesting and your model of it seems to look like an imperial refit, also the height of the Basilisk is said to be between 2.98 m to 5 m, but I wonder, how big is your version is fractal?

Shaun
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Shaun

Wow. That’s a ballsy commission. I’ll be honest but this is one of the main things that has always led me to write off/lose all interest in the Old Republic side of things–too many sharks have been jumped.

But, kudos for taking it on. Certainly interested to see how you make it work.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I always thought the concept of a flying droid as a warmount was an interesting one, especially for a culture known for its iconic armor; it was the realization of the concept that fell flat (as with so many other things from the Dark Horse comics). Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.

countvertex
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I have to agree – taking away the warmount aspect I think is giving away a main feature that makes the design interesting. Also agreed that it would belong more on the fantastic side of Star Wars than on the realistic side.
Maybe include both? A regular cockpit and an external control stand for atmospheric operations?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Curious as to what problems you have with the Dark Horse comics? Coming from a guy who really like the KotOR comic series, I saw no problems with the implementation of the basillisk?

Shaun
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Shaun

Oh, I’d say it’s really just a personal thing–I think Dark Horse ran a relatively solid set of arcs and I really did love the games on all levels–it was just a lot of things at the time that was over-saturating my ability and desire to process MOAR STAR WARS.

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Ah so kind of like the Star Wars burnout people talked about (and I do admit to feeling) with all the movie releases for the last several years?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

For me, it was the slipshod artwork and the extra servings of cheese and corn in all their plotlines in the early editions (particularly the TotJ comics). I’ve said elsewhere that the only positive to come out of the Dark Horse comics was to provide Fractal with an unlimited number of opportunities to prove that you actually can polish a turd. From what little I’ve seen of the KotOR comics, their quality has improved since the early days, but the best versions of the ships and vehicles seen in Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, etc, are found here on… Read more »

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Ah so it’s just from the artwork perspective. Then yeah I can agree with you, TotJ was pretty weird though not always in the best of ways and the story itself was also pretty mediocre at time. Concerning the basilisk, I guess I can see why many could be put off by the some battle-prawn design but I think it’s really something of an aquired taste. (I’ll admit, at first I thought it was oretty weird too but then it grew on me) But that being said, since you mentioned not seeing it, I do highly recommend the KotOR comics… Read more »