7 Feb 2015 Assertor-class Star Dreadnought Wrath by Fractalsponge | posted in: Capital ship, Galactic Empire, Gallery, Star Wars | 108
I mean like that many on 1 ship
Bottom turrets are rare on star-destroyers
I think so…
IF I HAD A FLEET IT WOULD BE THIS SHIP AS THE FLAG SHIP AND IT WOULD BE ESCORTED BY A BUNCH OF BELLATORS
Seriously how many escape pods would this carry in case of emergency? Enough for most of the crew That can’t expect to get to the shuttles?
I don’t think the empire uses escape pods
not that we’ve ever seen in any case LOL.
how about the escape pod in a new hope. wasn’t that techicaly an empire ship?
um no that was the Tantive IV. so technically if every CR-90 was considered part of the empire you could handwave that.
I don’t think this thing even needs escape pods…
Your Arrogance blinds you LOL. how many “unsinkable ships” has there been IRL?
>mfw, people think some puny escape pod would place you at a distance outside danger close to a rupturing several stars-worth reactor.
I would personally say yes it could. We see this even the Clone Wars show, Escape Pods having a long thrusting cycle to clear not only the ship but the exploding Venator. I would also remind readers that the Executor has a massive reactor and it didnt take out the surrounding ships when it exploded on DSII
Fair points, though I’d like to stress “ships” in your comment – as in vehicles with some some credible shielding – ought to be. Also. as a ship in and of itself, Ex is not that big a deal as far as power generation goes, be it absolute output or power-to weight (or more accurate, it has high power to weight by not weighting all that much). While Assertor was explicitly designed as a be all, end all slugger.
This thing has 400x the ISD output which is mindboggling in and of itself, while Venator is usually penned at around 1 to 2/3 or something like it.
I hear ya, I was just commenting on the fact that Escape pods can clear and put a lot of distance between themselves and the main ship they departed. Often we also see them lifting off planets and clearing atmospheres which again takes a lot of power to do so. Some of course even carrying limited Hyperdrives. So is it possible to clear an Asserter when its dead in the water and a core about to go? I think it is. The designers of any ship would take into account escape pods and their distances needing to escape properly. Now some might argue that the Empire stresses more on quantity rather than quality when it comes to cannon fodder (eg: Tie Fighters and their pilots) but what we are talking about is a sizeable force of beings , I mean in Legends we have Gentis with his complaint of Palpatine not caring about the lives of Imperial Officers. I would like to think that the designers and what not would care while the Emperor himself wouldnt even bother with design matters such as these.
To digress a bit, my take is that such emergency equipment takes mass and volume you’d be better off divoting to specificaly warfighting capabilities and chances are you won’t need them in the first place then.
Neither did I really bought into “cheap, inefficient” Empire’s procurement thing
Both of those points merge neatly in the TIE Fighter – ditch everything that makes fighter more durable, but buy enough weight from it so you may not need to bet on it. (I can go on further about TIEs and why they are ok as it is, but that’s way off topic)
Also, on the Empire’s attitude to personell, in one of the books about Thrawn his subordinate tried to stage a mutiny against him over accusation of refusing a rescue attempt.
Yes but Thrawn has never just willy nilly killed people. Thrawn never likes to just waste personnel, this is seen in both the Legends and in the new Canon novels. In Heir to the Empire for example he does kill a crew member aboard the Chimaera and the reason being that he refused to want to learn from mistakes and thus not put the rest of the crew in jeopardy. So I wouldnt say that it was anything like Palpatine or Vaders view on personnel, in fact Thrawn makes a mention of this to Captain Pellaeon about Vader needlessly throwing away lives for no reason. The reference that youre talking about isnt coming to my mind. Refresh my memory on what book we are talking about?
I phrased it poorly, but I didn’t mean to say that it was Thrawn’s attittude. His subrdinate mounts a mutiny against Thrawn, while the latter’s plan is in progress, since it involves “giving up” some people, shuttle and TIEs.
This is from “Command Decision”.
I would love to know the full specifications of this ship its beautiful if i had to choose a command ship its definitely this fantastic job
Honestly, I’m curious what the crew compliment would be And how many planets would the Empire have to sap for resources to build one?
If I could pick any ship in star wars to be my flagship, this would be it.
i second that but i would make a hybrid of this ship and the impellor.
Also does it have the same weakness as an Executor when it’s bridge gets taken down the entire ship as well?
Eh, trashing a starship’s bridge doesn’t constitute a total kill unless it happens to hit one doozy of an obstacle before secondary control comes online or someone kills forward thrust (which is apparently what happened in ROTJ…we even see something which *might* be an engine misfire around Executor’s aft on the way down). In an open-space engagement, Ex probably would’ve reoriented itself & gone gloves-off on the Rebel fleet.
That lack of automatic thrust re-adjustment from the Executor is something that I might have expected to happen in one of the first few Clone Wars battles, but by the time of Endor, surely there’s enough institutional experience fighting around planets, moons, and space stations that KDY has corrected for it and added automatic redundancy protocols.
Guess that might depend on how quickly secondary control can be established and/or how often catastrophic bridge damage touches off random helm input. Given that we see two (admittedly Jedi) pilots safely land half a kriffin’ CIS destroyer, perhaps the ROTJ death dive was another golden BB in a day jam-packed with such contrivances. Me, I’d insist on at least one fully-crewed auxiliary CIC at all times.
The blast from the A-wings fuel tanks exploding knocked out the secondary command deck like a shaped charge missile, meaning the Executor could not regain control.
Further memo to self: given a multi-mile ship design, place fully-staffed auxiliary bridge(s) far enough from the primary deck *not* to get caught by whichever localized disaster necessitates their use. Urgh.
I’d be inclined to think that the multiple bridges seen are the equivalent of the dual bridges on ships like the Venator or Consolidator, with each having their own specific command portfolio, such as a Flag Bridge, ground forces command, starfighter command, VIP “bridge” (a mimic of a fully functional bridge to impress visiting dignitaries without letting them onto the actual bridge itself), and so on and so forth.
Sound-seeming thought. I’d still want at least one of those stations to feature a manned backup helm which cuts in the nanosecond primary control’s disrupted. Especially if your ship’s mission profile involves a lot of noodling around non-interdictor gravity wells.
Manned? The best sounding explanation for the Executor’s last dive was human error as various squabbling auxiliary helms all simultaneously laid in contradictory courses after Piett ate an A-Wing, to disastrous effect. Put a computer in charge, pleeeease.
So the galaxy’s biggest case of ‘Left! No, down! No no, down more-WAITWAITSHITALLSTOPALL-‘ ? You’d think anyone with (a) input authority and (b) half a clue about the ship’s position would be panic-mashing evasive burns bent on keeping it well clear of the moon and/or megastation. Hell, Ex’s *starting* proximity to DS2 for that scene seems dangerously close in the context of a rock-tossing-distance fleet melee.
honestly, the empire should have known better than to put the auxiliary bridge that closes to the main if that was the case.
they couldn’t react in time as they were too close to the death star
The Galactic Empire’s defeat at Endor was mostly due to the loss of Darth Sidious’s Force Control of the fleet when he discorporated. The Sith Lord’s Battle Meditation was all that held the coordination of the Imperial Fleet. The sudden loss of his support at that critical juncture was the#1 reason for the Empire’s defeat at Endor.
It would seem this ship has a secondary command bridge pretty close to the other. I think the Assertor has a chance of surviving the destruction of the main command bridge.
Actually it doesn’t. If you look closely at it, you’ll see that it actually has multiple bridges.
I believe in legends ISDs and SSDs had in addition to the main bridge, an auxiliary bridge buried somewhere down in the hull. If the main bridge was taken out this would have survived. in the case of Executor perhaps there were gaps in communication or confusion for long enough to keep them from taking control before slamming into the DS2.
It probably has like 10 secandary bridges since its ment to be the best SSD
Hey I wonder if this monster can take down atleast 50 to 70 ISDs in an engagement? also can it take down 2 Excecutor SSDs in an engagement?
So Fractal how big is the Assertor’s superlaser firing arc?
Why resolution is only 1200*500 its too little for such Absolute ship
Follow the save link and it’s 4k. What pops up depends on your screen resolution.
An Imp star with a Superlaser installed has the power to annihilate a small moon that’s 200 kilometers in diameter or crack a continent in half.
I looked up any reali life equivalant to the small moon, closest was Iris 7 which is 199.8 kilometers in diameter. I used SD dot nets calculator and got a yield of 25 teratons of tnt for the minimum to destroy the moon. Scaling x400 the Assertors would be 10,000 Teratons of tnt.
you are talking petatons assertors would likely be in the exaton range single to triple digit
how fast is this ship in mph?
Accelerate long enough in vacuum, and it goes lightspeed. Speed for a spaceship is not a meaningful number. Acceleration I’d say is about 2800g.
So I found this website which is a gravity acceleration calculator and I calculated the Assertor’s acceleration and it show that the ship move at 27,459 meters PER SECOND!
Here the link to it: https://rechneronline.de/g-acceleration/
Acceleration is not velocity. Accelerate long enough and you’ll hit lightspeed.
Oh so any ship can do it even the Eclipse and when you said lightspeed does that mean they are not using a hyperdrive to do it?
Also sorry to the people who have waste their time going to that website.
whats the biggest thing the superlaster can destroy? a capital ship? a moon?
Capital ship or station. Maybe disrupt a very small moon (large asteroid). But really it’s not designed for that.
What’s the point defense on this absolute monster?
Fractal said it is around thousands and he can’t be bother to count it because they are too small to count it properly.
Wow… remind me to make this my flagship. XD
Hey, Fractal, so what are the TL hitting powers of each of the guns?
Not Fractal but here the caliber of these HTLs and HICs that Fractal calculated:
376 720-teraton HTL (188×2)
2132 240-teraton HTL (533×4)
2048 40-teraton HTL (256×8)
280 240-teraton equivalent heavy ion cannon (70×4)
How many strike craft would it carry into battle?
24 wings each with 72 fighters
Hey fractal is the slot in the prow of the ship supposed to be a superlaser like the eclipse or am i just hoping?
It is, though much much much less powerful. More for killing ships than destroying continents, though probably fires a lot faster.
I thought so. It seems more for destroying golan platforms, star bases, and capital ships to me.
I believe that it would be best suited at a Long-Range assault position, like a Howitzer. And with it’s secondary and tertiary turrets, it would be able to fend off almost any attack against it.
I have done some research, and if the Empire had scrapped the DS-0, DS-1, and the DS-2, then the Empire could have survived and thrived. Fractal, please correct me if I am wrong, but if they scrapped all THREE of those Battlestations, then I believe that they could have had built over 300 of these Assertors. If you use the canonized fleet distribution system, with 1,000 Star Destroyers in each Sector Fleet, with 24 Sectors, plus 1,000 Star Destroyers as roving commands, that would give you 25,000 Star Destroyers. Now if the Empire converted all three of their Battlestations into Star Destroyers, I /think/ they /might/ have been able to, at most, double that number. If they built Assertors instead of ISDs then they could have built possibly 1,000 Assertors.
thank you thrawn
You don’t need the superlaser to screw up a planet’s surface.
For those who wonder the ship armement.
-655 ultra-heavy quadruple turbolaser batteries.
-256 heavy octuple turbolaser batteries.
-142 heavy ion batteries
-a 70 petaton yield superlaser at the bow.
And probably thousands of other invisibly small turbolasers and AA point-defense systems.
How do you know? Did you count them?
Really curious to see a source
Actually this is the true armament: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?p=3222519#p3222519
I just counted the larger guns
633 Dual Ultra Heavy turbo lasers (give or take a few)
256 Octuple Barbette HTL
100 Ball mounted Quad Ion cannons (48 in trench and 52 across the rest of the ship, idk if they’re heavy, super heavy or ultra heavy but it’s one of the three, I’d probably go with super heavy but whatever)
Idk how many other guns, way too many and too small to count.
This is my count, I’ve probably missed some but I think valoren’s count is correct.
‘Just counted the guns on the hull…
Hey fractal, could this ship have really tough armor? As in be able to tank up to an exaton of TNT armor plz? Plz respond
this has got to be within the top 5 star wars star ships ever
How does this ship fare against the Viscount class star defender in the battle?
It is hard to say… Just looked at the stats of the Viscount, and I have to say that it is /possible/ for the Viscount to win, but the most likely winner would be the Assertor.
Yeah I’d probably go with the assertor, the assertor has less weapons than the Viscount I think but they’re alot more powerful, then consider the Axial super laser.
My god, this is a magnificent design! Assertor is an apt name, as it would certainly assert itself over any opponent it encountered. I imagine its mere presence in a star system would quell almost any unrest, and give pause to even the largest enemy fleet.
If the Assertor was only used by the Imperial Remnant — I believe that this ship is in Legends, so Pellaeon’s Imperial Faction. They called themselves the Empire, but I called it the Remnant to avoid confusion. — then a more apt name would be Avenger Class.
in truth, I wish that the sovereign class could be replaced with this
With this many hangers how much fighters can this behemoth have?
24 wings, each wing has 6 squadrons and each squadron has 12 starfighters. So 1,728 starfighters total.
1 wing= 6 squadrons-72 starfighters
1 squadron= 12 Starfighters
Needs more cow bell… 😎
Best battleship class SD ever.
This ship is the definition of absurd. A 15 km star destroyer? Legends, what did you smoke?
How’s that absurd? The Executor was 19km…
*ahem* Source? The Star Wars Technical Commentaries did a visual comparison from footage in Return of the Jedi and determined that the Executor was “at least 11 times longer than an ISD.” That puts it at a bare minimum of 17,600 meters. 19,000 meters is a reasonable estimate.
Sorry, I was wrong.
What did YOU smoke?
I’ve done a bit more digging, looked at the numbers regarding dreadnoughts in Star Wars, and it would be apropiate to take back my statement. I hope I haven’t offended anyone.
You have angered a Grand Admiral! The Executor isn’t even the largest ship built! There is a class of Star Dreadnought that is 60 Kilometers on it’s longest axis – 41 Kilometers longer than the Executer. That ship is called the Supremacy, and it is the ONLY Mega-Class Super Star Dreadnought. But there is a ship even bigger than that. The Death Star I, with a diameter of 140 Kilometers. The Death Star II was even larger, with a massive diameter range, from 160 Kilometers up to 900 Kilometers. I believe that the DS-II was around 200 Kilometers Diameter. The Yuuzhan Vong had a “ship” called a “Worldship”, and not much is known about them, besides the fact that like all of the Yuuzhan Vong “technology” was organically-based, as in basically being lifeforms of one sort or another. Because of that fact, the Worldships” actually “grew”. The Worldships known as Koros-Strohna in Basic, where roughly 120 Kilometers in diameter at average. It is possible that they could grow to sizes larger than the DS-I, and possibly even larger than the DS-II.
What were you smoking? Worldships are large, bigger than the Supremacy, but would probably not be capable of being bigger than the DS. Legends-wise, The Executor was only the longest imperial ship in the Galaxy, the Eclipse had more tonnage. It was also the best well armed, housing more guns than the Assertor, Eclipse and Sovereign. The Supremacy on the other hand, is a whole different story. Knowing the large ass number of guns on the Resurgent, I would say it is possible that when we eventually get an official number of guns for the Supremacy, it will probably out-gun the Death Star 2. Then again, its guns are weird. THE SHOTS CURVE DOWN IN SPACE.
I have to disagree. The Supremacy may be huge, and she may have more guns than the Assertor, Eclipse, and Sovereign, but she doesn’t seem to be equipped with a superlaser. By contrast, the Assertor, Eclipse, and Sovereign were all equipped with superlasers, and I seriously doubt that there is any deflector shield that can protect against superlasers. If the Supremacy were to face off against any one of the three above dreadnoughts, it would be turned into swiss cheese. It gets even worse for the Supremacy, though, because not only do the three above dreadnoughts have superlasers, but also gravity well projectors. So the Supremacy is not only fighting against a ship with deceivingly superior weapons, it also can’t escape.
God, I love the ships in legends…
The so called Mega Class Super Star Dreadnought was so mega and super it couldnt even destroy one mere Mon Cal cruiser
One OLD Mon Cal Cruiser, running on fumes, and that wasn’t even fighting back.
One that it successfully attacked and damaged a few hours before.
I bet this engineering marvel must have cost half a Death Star
Not close. This ship is roughly 15,200 Meters in length. The DS-1 had a /diameter/ of 140,000 Meters. I think you could build 100 Assertors with just scrap from DS-1 alone. You could build at least a dozen from DS-0 alone. Note:The DS-0 was the prototype. It didn’t have shields, or any real hull. It was just the equatorial ring, the central power distribution core, with the Reactor in the very center of the core, and of course the Super Laser Array, so in summary was basically a proof-of-concept.
Hey at first i need to tell you that every time i look at this technological terror of yours i always imagine vader would have chosen this ship instead of the executor for his flagship if he could. which leads me to an question what would you change or strengthen if you ever consider in making an Assertor mk II? If thats even possible its marvelous at it is right now.
The most awesome capital ship ever!
I know this is now part of the “legends” stuff but where there more assertors built after assertor and wrath? As we have quite many executors i guess we have even more assertors?
There was only eight Executors. From my reading of Legends, I have not even seen a /reference/ to a Bellator, let alone an Assertor. So I have to answer as “Who knows?”
I looked at this one for a long time, before I realized that all those tiny little freckles all over the ship are actually turrets!
I think I’m going to need a change of clothes…..
Have you seen the stats for this ship in the book Lead by Example? If so what do you think of them?
I think I saw a scan. I don’t remember the numbers but I remember disagreeing with them 🙂
awesome work! the internet needs more of this.