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valoren
valoren
4 years ago

does the name for this new murderwedge necessarily need to end in -or? If yes, I have some propositions:
moderator, evictor, protector, federator (after all it’s an old republic ship)… or fractal has already chosen for himself and in that case all of this is pointless.

RhysT
RhysT
4 years ago

Not in the Episode Grievous Intrigue trust me. Just rewatched it.

Striker
Striker
4 years ago

Wondering on name but mostly what time period. To me seems to make sense that this would predate the Mandator so still obviously useful due to its size but Mandator is improved in armor and firepower for the same length. Just wondering what your design thoughts and back ground are for this thing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

So the Legator is more of the command ship/flagship (not sure they are the same thing or not) than a battleship right?

Xeno
Xeno
4 years ago

Still wondering what you’re gonna name this beast. It’s not really a Mandator (no hump, and Mandator would have 5x the armament (able to bitchslap 1,000+ Recusants IIRC)) but maybe Mandator Lite? Since it’s 8 km like a Mandator? Or is it the Legator? Auditor-class would be interesting, also.

RhysT
RhysT
4 years ago
Reply to  Xeno

I have to say I always hated those stats. I know they’re pseudo-cannon, but all the same the just strike me as…excessive. I mean really? One ship (even a 8km beast) taking on a thousand capital ships?) There’s a bit of a largely unspoken joke among fans that Sci-Fi Author’s tend to have no sense of scale. Sorry, ranting….On another note I like the name “Legator”!

Xeno
Xeno
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

I feel exactly the same way about the mandator lol. However, we do see this star battleship having 50+ HTL turrets where a Venator has 8, so it’s probably an order of magnitude more powerful. And yeah, I suggested Legator a while back for the compellor cruiser and I keep at it for this build.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Xeno

To be fair, that quote says nothing about a hypothetical Mandator’s condition *after* such a battle. Might very well be a case of thousand-cuts-death *plus* utter decimation for the wolfpack, assuming neither party breaks for hyperspace at a critical point (which I find damned unlikely).

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

It’s true if we assume that reactor volume grow proportionally to the volume of the ship itself
but it may not be always the case, and yes the recusant is particularly skinny for a destroyer but such a ship can gain a lot of space by simply removing crew quarters, hangars, launch bays and even kilometers of lightened corridor. space which, in turn, can be use to increase reactor size and fuel capacity.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

There is exceptions. The providence star destroyer, which is one of the few well made and not mass-produced warship deployed by the CIS, has a firepower superior to a venator, without sacrificing fighter capacity, despite having only a fraction of it’s volume (6 million m3 against 15) , precisely by throwing away the quasi-totality of it’s life support systems and crew quarters. The thing can field even more spacecraft than the vens can.

Steve Bannon
Steve Bannon
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

If the Providence is only a third the volume of a Venator, then the CIS must have made major trade-offs in order to be even remotely competitive in terms of hitting and staying power. Perhaps the Providences rely heavily on proton torpedoes and large capacitor banks in order to be competitive with Republic Star Destroyers for brief exchanges, but sacrifice maneuverability, acceleration, endurance, and versatility.
Separatist design philosophy focused on quick strikes, mass mothership operations and extremely specialized units led to some pretty fascinating designs. I’d like to see some from Fractal one day.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

Thank, now I understand why the separatist lost the war.
If even their carefully designed and crafted flagship can’t stand on even ground with the standard, mass-produced republican destroyer, they had pretty much no chance.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

I always assumed the providence was the exception to this rule because it was a rare sight on the separatist side and their production rate was very low.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

The lucrehulk sure has an enormous reactor (which mean both powerful shield and weapon) but their past as commercial cargo for the tradefed may mean a weaker structural integrity than a dedicated battleship of the same size. Still a sight to behold on the battlefield though. I feel for the separatists who lose so many of them on geonosis.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

The Separatists lost the Clone Wars in 32.5 BBY in Seswenna Hall, when the Neimodians killed the two Kuati members of the Trade Federation Directorate. From that day onwards, Kuat aligned its fleets and shipyards with the Supreme Chancellery, rather than with the Trade Federation. This did not work out as the Neimodians intended in the long run.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  valoren

My bad, the volume of the providence is actually superior to 10 millions cubic meters.
A 6 millions cubic meters volume would give a 113m wide, 600m long cylinder.

AdmiralStrang
AdmiralStrang
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

The thing about Recusants is that they’re barely destroyers. Recusants are, as Frac said, really hollow and narrow– outside of a token few bulkier vessels most Confederate ships were really skeletal because they were half automated and what wasn’t automated was crewed by droids. They didn’t even have proper main hangars because droid fighters were meant to roost under their hull shrouds. Recusants’ shields weren’t particularly powerful and they were designed to attack in frontal charges, not slug it out in broadsides– the Mandator II, on the other hand, is an immense brawler several magnitudes the mass of a Recusant. I’d bet on the thousand number being about correct.

RhysT
RhysT
4 years ago
Reply to  AdmiralStrang

Are they talking about the standard Recuscant model? Or that weird large variant model Grievous was riding around in the clone wars tv show that could take on Venators? That sorta confuses the issue too… as for the math of ship power versus size I’ll take your word for it.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

I’m pretty sure Grievous’ flagship was actually a Providence-class vessel, which comes in 1.1 km standard and 2.2 km custom flavors (he opted for the latter, natch). The confusion’s understandable, of course-I have a helluva time distinguishing non-Lucrehulk CIS ships on occasion.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

I can confirm that the invisible hand, the personal flagship of general grievous, is a providence-class carrier/destroyer. in the clone wars series we were introduced to oversized version of already existent separatist warship, such as admiral trench’s dreadnought (a providence) and grievous first season flagship (a recusant), both twice the size of their original versions, respectively 2177m and 2400m.
Frankly, the thing is an absolute mess, the only thing I know for sure is that grievous personal ship at the time of ROTS was, strangely, when you know the guy, the standard 1088m version

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

@valoren
Confirmation appreciated. Also, kinda hilarious how the Clone Wars cartoon’s CIS flagships play the ‘super star destroyer’ trope a lot straighter than Executor ever did (since you certainly can’t say that thing’s just a scaled-up Impstar).

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

Agree, and it’s even more funny when you see that trench flagship, the invincible, is designated as a dreadnought. So just to recap, 2200m=dreadnought but 19000m=destroyer.

valoren
valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

A cruiser isn’t superior to a destroyer?

Eric Otness
Eric Otness
4 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

Well, technically, Star Cruiser DOES exist in the EGTW book system, but it’s for the low end of the Star Battlecruiser line in terms of length (eg, the Allegiance-class). But yeah, agreed overall with your point.