11 Sep 2017 Procurator-class Star Battlecruiser by Fractalsponge | posted in: Capital ship, Galactic Empire, Gallery, Old Republic, Star Wars | 101
I wonder what this could be? (Third to last image)
I love the Bridge, superstructure, and engines, although those massive batteries do throw off the scale somewhat
so what kind of hyperdrive are we dealing with on this?
The asymmetrical pyramid shape of the top and central spine reminds me a little of the star destroyers of the legacy era. Pellaeon-Class and Imperius-Class Star destroyer of the Galactic Alliance. Would you like to make any of these models?
I am wondering if this could be the type of vessel commanded by Captain Wermis in the old Marvel comics. Seems about the right size and shape, though certainly many of the details are different. The engines in particular seems similar.
I absolutely love the look of this ship! The bridge like structure at the very front looks amazing, the superstructure looks amazing and the way the hanger sticks out at the bottom looks epic! The bridge itself reminded me a bit of the first order somehow XD
So here is the ship’s armament that I see for those who wonders;
-37 Ultra-heavy Quad Turbolaser Turrets
-14 DBY-827 Heavy Turbolaser turrets
-31 Medium Quad Turbolaser Turrets
-6 Heavy Quad Ion Cannons (or Spherical Heavy Turbolaser turrets?)
And an unknown number of point defense cannons and anti-aircraft turrets, probably a number superior to the amount of all the other turrets combined.
That’s what I see.
What is the lenght of this? And by length I mean the length Fractal says it is.
Thanks. I’m making a murder-wedge scaling picture right now.
Here it is:
But it was a missed hilarious opportunity to plug in the wedgies under the Imperator…
That will be to Big the most likely be a part 2
Hot damn, Praetors are beefy when scaled up to 6.4 km. Talk about battle-line workhorses.
I prefer the 8km possibility! Given its volume I expect it would be as powerful as an Executor. Pure brute firepower without all of the fighter and ground forces hassle.
Not really even if Preator is 8km in length the Executor is still more powerful.
But it might be more tougher because of it’s thick armour and wide size, kinda like a proper Battleship (Well Light Battleship when you compare it to larger ones like the Mandator III which is 12km long) while the Executor is more of a Battlecarrier (Or Dreadcarrier As I like to called it due to being part Dreadnought).
Actually yes you’re right, I scaled the Praetor in a pic and judging by its volume (and guessing reactor size) I reckon it would output as much as around 85 ISD-IIs, as a rough estimate. 80-90% as powerful as an Executor then, but does not come out on top.
nice work!! Could you make a part 2 and more imperial vessels, like the frigates and corvettes? that would be awesome!!!!
what about height/depth?
Fractal why the f*ck are you so good.
how many weapons
-37 Ultra-heavy Quad Turbolaser Turrets
-14 DBY-827 Heavy Turbolaser turrets
-31 Medium Quad Turbolaser Turrets
-6 Heavy Quad Ion Cannons (or Spherical Heavy Turbolaser turrets?)
It has even more. I spend more than a hour to count all his weaponry.
-37 Ultra-heavy Quad Turbolaser Turrets
-14 DBY-827 Heavy Turbolaser Turrets (I think supposed to be 16 but 2 are asymetrical missing.)
-64 Medium Quad Turbolaser Turrets (63 modeled, 1 missing)
-6 Ultra-heavy Quad Ion Cannons
-24 Heavy Missile Tubes
Asymmetrical layouts aren’t necessarily errors. There are plenty of historical and modern warships with notable asymmetrical features, and for good reasons.
I know. The Imperator had several asymetrical PD-turrrts. But in this case, it are probably errors. There are on the right side of the ship 31 MTL turrets and on the left side are 32. All are symetrical but one (the foremost turret, difficult to see). The dual HTLs missing are on the rear on the right side of the tower stucture. Here even a sort of gun-enheightement stucture is missing for one HTL. Unlike the Imperator, this looks like this is supposed to have a summetrical gun-layout.
True but unbalanced weight distribution can be a real problem even in Zero G. So best not overdone.
Fractal, when you release these renders could you also include a small paragraph listing estimated dimensions as well as total # of xyz weapons you modeled on it?
I can count the bigger weapons but can’t zoom in enough to reliably count the # of medium/light turbolasers, let alone point-defense laser cannons!
I counted a total of 14 venator-style HTL’s (I think supposed to be 16 because 2 lacks on the right side of the bridge-tower) and 63 quad MTL’s (I think supposed to be 64).
No LTL’s so far as I can see.
So, just that I get the context right:
This ship is the very first Battlecruiser mentioned for the Post-Ruusan Republic in the Legends-lore?
The predecessor of the Praetor Mk I-class which had such a shitty hyperdrive it was only effective for defensive operations during the Clone Wars?
so, just comparing the hull and the bridge tower, I would say a size around 3,5 km, with 37 heavy turbolasers batteries and 6 heavy ion batteries as its main armament.
According to the essential guide to warfare, it’s 2,500 meters long
Well, it wouldn’t be the first time Fractal and the EGTW disagree on something.
I don’t know how you get these angles in your models, i would so love to see a from start to finish video by you.
So in the hanger there are 8 medium hanger bays in which each bay carry a full wing of 72 light fighters like TIE Fighters, Interceptors, Hunters and Avengers or a smaller wing of heavy fighters like Bombers, Defenders, Manglers and Starwings which I guess is half the light fighter wing of 36 heavy fighter wing or less like a either 1/3 or 1/4. Add them all up together and that make the Procurator carried up to 8 wings of light or heavy fighters=576 light fighters or 288 heavy fighters if half or 192 heavy fighters if 1/3 or 144 heavy fighters if 1/4.
Yes. At overload you could cram even more in and cycle onto the launch rack system, but you’d lose maintenance space.
Right and Fractal am I right that a wing of heavy fighters is only half (36 fighters) of the wing of light fighters (72 fighters) or is it less like 1/3 (24 fighters)?
Typically a wing is 72 fighters/bombers no matter the type;
36 fighters/bombers is called a group, with 2 groups in a wing.
12 fighters/bombers in a squadron, with 3 squadrons to a group, 6 to a wing.
And if I’m recalling correctly on this one, 2 fighters/bombers is called a flight with 6 flights to a squadron. 😉
Group is the higher organization in Commonwealth usage, multiple wings each of multiple squadrons. Sub-squadron organization can be by different numbers.
I don’t know – you think I have an OOB for everything?
Usually for heavier craft the numbers drop. So for something like Skiprays or Assault Transports a squadron might be much smaller than 12. I don’t think the difference between Scimitar/Defender and something like /ln is big enough to affect squadron numbers usually, but that’s just an opinion.
Scimitar might have enough lateral footprint for space on light frigates & smaller to be a concern…Defender seems like less of an issue if you can fit /ln hexagon wings. Slightly tricker to work rack arms around one, though.
Anyway back to the hangers so since the Procurator can carry 8 wings which means it carry more than the Compellor star cruiser yet is also carry heavier weapons like the quad 240 TT caliber HTLs and Ion Cannons. so my guess is that the Procurator is for fleet work with the Compellor being for multi-role plus the Compellor does have more different types of hangers than the Procurator like this one on the right which I’m not sure what is it for: https://fractalsponge.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/carrier11_3.jpg
I think that the big hangar on the compellor is for the Chi-class heavy dropship.
I meant to say the small hangers row on the right.
But you are right about that big hanger bay carrying Chi dropships although I don’t know how many it could carry but I think it can only carry one.
TEGTW page 167 has Procurator Legends length:
“Bristling with weapons, the twenty-five-hundred-meter Procurator was the template for a series of ever-larger KDY battleships, nominally built to protect Kuat sector but really aimed at attracting contracts from wealthy Core planets, sectors, and powerful mercantile fleets. By the time of the Clone Wars, dozens of battlecruisers defended Core and Colonies sectors. The Procurator-class Star Battlecruiser was refined several times before being supplanted by a four-thousand-meter descendant, the Praetor class, though the Ruusan Reformations limited both classes’ hyperdrive capabilities and armament.”
Huh, oh well – won’t be the first time I’ve disagreed with a number in TEGTW. Call it Procurator II.
Considering that nearly 200 years go by between the introduction of the Procurator and its “supplanting” by the Praetor, it makes sense that the “refinements” would include changes. Like the sensor domes and tractor beam targeting array – these ones match the ISD’s, so this being a very late version introduced just before production was discontinued, works.
Interestingly, Rogue One shows ISD-I domes that match the original ANH movie ISD’s domes – the two spheres on the bridge module are made up not of triangles, but other shapes (hexagons and pentagons?) and, even in extreme close up, there’s no “vanes” on top of the domes.
Perhaps ISD-II style domes (vanes, sphere made up of triangular panels) should be a post-Clone Wars innovation?
Works for me. Supposes that would make those TaggeCo ships with the nifty quad sensor-dome array some sort of entirely unrelated (light?) cruiser class.
Good eye. SW tech may not have the progression curve of 20th/21st-century Terra, but nigh-plural centuries leave plenty of room for updates & tweaks.
The superstructure terraces on Fractal’s Vicstar look like they’re based loosely on the Tagge ship (it isn’t just Tagge’s though – Captain Wermis’s ship (Wermis being the Imperial Captain who’s chauffeuring Vader around), and Crimson Jack’s, all have some commonalities, depending on the image. And they tend to have the same “engine nozzles divided into 4 quarters” design feature that we see here.
The term “Star Destroyer-class battlecruiser” was often used in those comics.
I’d probably treat them all as related.
Ah, comic-spinoff terminology. The three examples you mention seem likely to be variants of the same mid/ late Clone Wars class. now it’s just putting one -tor name or another to that.
Oh Procurator-class! I like it! Although I don’t believe it would have been that heavily armed
I love everything about this. From the rear-deck ‘ears’ to the ISD-I derived bridge to the raised deck and antiquated engines.
Fractal, if you’re bored, could you whip up some contemporaries? I would like to see more ships of this vintage.
HOW DID THEY NOT GET YOU TO DO MOVIE DESIGNS!?!?!
This thing is just wonderful! Magnitudes better than the crap they put out for the new trilogy!
In Legends, the Procurators were supposed to be 2.5km long; does the model actually seem to match the description given in Legends?
You know, everyone seems to have some knowledge of Procurator in the EU that I apparently don’t have and have never seen.
Checked the ‘pedia, and its two sources are apparently the AOTC ICS & EGTW, with that dimension stat lifted from the former. Seems a little odd for even an older KDY battlecruiser to pack less surface area than a contemporary (albeit only nominally) ‘civilian’ company’s armed freighters (by which I mean Lucrehulks, natch). Especially given the Empire at War mod render’s distinctly non-dagger shape; I’m wondering how many peeps just lifted their lore from that game’s ship-description textbox.
Well it being in ICS is manifestly false, and I have not found any indication in EGTW. I have both books.
Low surface area’s good for a warship.
Might be some game and/or mod’s stats getting cited as general lore, then…in which case I’d much rather roll with the Procurator scale those Impstar comparison shots indicate. And quite right about low *proportional* surface area-perhaps I should’ve (very subjectively) phrased it as “weird an SW battlecruiser’s not that much bigger than a destroyer”. Yes, I remember length alone means bupkus too.
Nice that Procurator class ships finally included. Honestly I think the ship is too chunky, stripped of it’s star destroyer sleekness.
Abrupt Legends realization: between this beast, Fractal’s Victory & Dreadnaught-class renders, and that in-progress Acclamator combat variant, one could have the makings of a decent Corporate Sector Authority ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corporate_Sector_Authority/Legends ) patrol flotilla. About all you’d be missing are a the Marauder corvettes & IRD interceptors (oh, and the odd Recusant or Lucrehulk).
Invincibles, not Procurators. I think Procurators are an order of magnitude more terrifying than what something like the Corporate Sector would be allowed to maintain. Tbh CSA didn’t seem all that powerful in fluff ever, and definitely not in the same league as Corellia, Kuat, etc.
Yeah, I was more/less running on old-school aesthetics & Brian Daley nostalgia with that lineup-didn’t really think through the implications of “ogliarch backwater firmly under the Empire’s thumb” or later Legends’ revealing the C-Sector as just one more faction which threw in on the Clone Wars’ rigged-to-lose side. “Challenging sidebar setting for Pre-ANH Han & Chewie” doesn’t require a Corellia (or even Hutt holdings)-tier naval budget.
I’m pretty sure the CSA got their hands on some secondhand combat-retrofit Lucrehulks, which should be in the same range for power generation as Fractal’s Procurator, even if they have awful firing arcs and acceleration. Kuat, TaggeCo and Rendili were both signatory sponsors of their charter as well, which opens up the possibility of some fairly significant defense fleets.
Might still be enough of a power-generation gap ‘tween the two to make L-hulks seem like a safer fit for one’s privatized proxy-state client. Come to think of it, those rather sleek-hulled TaggeCo ships from the same Marvel strips that spawned Praetor (and now Fractal’s Procurator take, I suppose) might’ve also been marketable as a ‘pocket fast flag’ for polities Palpy didn’t quite trust with heavier metal. Wookiee’s Legends history happens to include a bit where the whole C-Sector was conquered by Warlord Zsinj inside about 2 years, so presumably its strategic reserves were (artificially kept?) none too deep by Imp standards.
So Fractal what are you going to do next the heavy frigate or possibly a Mandator?
i want resurgent-class battlecruiser
After you finished this marvelous piece of art would you consider tackling the Titan class Star Destroyer i would love to see your version and or the Centurion class Dreadnought iirc the ravager flagship of darth nihilus from Kotor 2
It’s beautiful! I am new here, but I have been a fan of your models since I saw them on the SW Wikia. Will you make another reaction post concerning the Mega (*cringe* that naming though) class Star “Destroyer”?
I really hope the Mega-class will turn out to be an error, or resistance slang, or something. If there was one ship of a class built, the class-name should be the same as that ship that was built.
I agree, because Supremacy-clas sounds far more traditional. Even the so-called “Super-class Star destroyer” was just a dud (in Legends). And while they are at that, they might as well not call it a “star destroyer” since the Resurgence-class is dubbed a “battlecruiser” and the 8km Pizza is a “dreadnought”
If there was only one built, is it really a class at all?
I love it
This is the same “Procurator” class that was build in Republic times? It do look much more and Imperial era ship.
Hey Fractal how many ISD power reactors could compare to the Procurator power reactor like 10-15?
Thank for this new addition to the imperial fleet. I like the change of angle in the dorsal hull, the t-shaped bridge tower and the front end’s protruding superstructure block, it give it a fairly special look compared to pretty much all of the other starships in the imperial’s arsenal.
Also, since you already talked about the designs from episode 8 on this site, are you going to address the new 60 km wide “mega” star destroyer ? I don’t know if you’re going to dedicate a whole article to it, so soon after the last one, but could you please share your thought on the subject ?
I believe Fractal vented some spleen re: that Superduperwedge(R) when someone mentioned it back on the TLJ dreadnought reaction post’s comment section.
No sweat. Honestly, the hyperwedge doesn’t stick in my craw quite so much as the siege pizzas, but its class name locks my eyeballs firmly in the upright position.
Yeah, the same. I mean, since how long has the discussion about the Executor ended ? You think they would have figured it out by now. It should be called a supremacy-class star dreadnought, but if it’s anything like the Executor, it probably will be at some point.
The size is completely bonkers though. All the biggest dreadnought created by the original Empire could fit inside the thing. I thought the F.O. was supposed to use its ressources more efficiently, but to this day we’ve only be presented with colossal wastes of material. And since, for scenarists, ramming is the quickest shortcut to complete obliteration, it will probably suffer the same fate as the Executor.
Seconded on the “where’s Space Daesh finding the resources/funds for all this??” front (though I suppose they *could* have lucked into some uncharted raw-material source or just been bleeding FO worlds dry). At least the damn thing’s ‘only’ several times larger than any prior superheavy, as opposed to ‘Death Star-ballpark flying wing’. Still nuts enough that the following fan-design pisstake link seems relevant (though the rest of that forum thread…:/): https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/imperium-class-ultra-star-destroyer.184259/
Wow, I think I’d be hard pressed to find something about this design I ‘Don’t’ like. Simply a fantastic design and concept. As others have said repeatedly: I REALLY wish you were the one designing ships in the new trilogy.
One can dream no? For me unfortunately, not even the MSD seems to give off that dominating aura that I was anticipating… Seeing Snoke though come out of hyperspace in the bridge of the Wrath with a bunch of these as escort… That would be another story.
Beautiful! It’s an odd-looking beast, and I say that in the most complimentary way possible. It really nails the late-century Republic look, and I’m glad Fractal went ahead and used the Procurator class name.
To mirror a frequent sentiment, I wish we could see more designs like this in “official” products, rather than the junk we’re getting…between the Mandator-IV and the Mega-class, I’ve just about given up hope that Disney will ever give us another quality Imperial cap-ship.
I agree with your sentiment, good sir. I must, however, disagree with your point on the “Procurator-class” name. There are already illustrations of the Procurator-class, as well as my belief that this vessel does not conform to the outlines set in the Treaty Of Ruusan, and therefore can not possibly be of the Procurator-class.
Gr8 design tho. 1 of my favs.
It is true that this ship wouldn’t comply with the restrictions on the Republic Navy. If I may point out, however, the Procurator isn’t exclusively a Navy asset; it was something of a vanity project for Kuat Drive Yards, who sold them mainly to defense fleets in rich sectors. Local defense forces, especially in sectors with a lot of money and political clout, wouldn’t necessarily be held to the same limits. Does it make any sort of technical sense? No, but then bureaucracies never do. It would be hilarious to imagine a bunch of these sitting in reserve docks around Kuat and Humbarine while the Stark Hyperspace War was being fought with up-armored diplomatic shuttles.
Dunno if ‘in-house fleet asset off central government books’ quite qualifies as ‘vanity project’, but that is a chucklesome picture you paint. Suppose it also hints at why none of the prequel battles chronicling this prominent Jedi or that involved Count Lee-err, Dooku & Grievous screaming at Palpy over holocomms while a Mandator chewed through their fleet in the backdrop.
The problem with these ships not being shown during the Clone Wars lies not solely within the ostensible claim that they were part of “private” sector fleets (as after the war broke out all those sector fleets were incorporated into the centralized navy) but that most of these bigger ships had very shitty hyperdrives which didn’t allow for them to be used offensively or travel to war theatres outside of the Core and Colonies regions.
Both the Procurator-class and the Mandator I (of which very few units existed by the way) fall under this moniker while the Mandator II (of which the often cited “Pride of the Core” is a member) did have a decent hyperdrive, it also had rather few numbers and was mainly used to defend key Republic systems which either a) the CIS did not dare to attack or b) were simply never shown in any Clone Wars-material in both Legends and Disney canon.
Now the Praetor Mark I Battlecruisers I read somewhere were refitted with better hyperdrives and used more offensively by the Republic (the Quaestor and the Battalion are mentioned in some Legends stories) but they most likely simply weren’t included because of oversight in more well-known media.
The ship is fantastic, however the ship seems to be missing two of the Venator/Victory type HTL turrets on the right-side aft of the conning tower. ;D
Or my turret counting-fu is lacking?
What do you see this ship carrying crew/fighter/troop wise?
I only count one small-ish portside turret aft of the bridge which isn’t mirrored to starboard, but good eye. Tempted to visualize this beast hauling roughly 2.5 Venators’ worth of small craft, but I may well be lowballing.
One turret is on one of those rectangular platforms near the center-line, the other is on a missing custom base further outboard and to the rear of the first, near the rear edge of the conning tower outcropping.
*squints at aforementioned area*
Hm, right you are. Thanks for narrowing that down.
I count turrets… lots of zooming in, used scrap paper with tally-marks on them, and sore eyes. ;D
So the lighting on the Assertor you did recently which look amazing by away you also did with this ship which make me think are you going to do this type of lighting on all your ships you created?
Also the ball turrets on the Procurator is it 175 Teratons caliber?
Mercy, the lighting. That *thruster* lighting. The greeble distribution. Somehow deriving yet another distinctive shape from the KDY doomwedge template, even without factoring in the aft-superstructure winglets. Yep, this one’s a keeper.
It’s a pity the Clone Wars cartoon animation team was so reluctant to flesh out the upper echelons of the Republic fleet list by sticking to Acclamators, Arquitens, and Venators, all while giving the CIS interesting designs like the Subjugator and the supply ship. Seeing a Procurator or some other battlecruiser in Republic livery delivering a multiple petaton alpha strike on a Lucrehulk was the one thing I was hoping every new season would highlight, but alas.
I kinda wonder if having upper-end naval assets drop in & clean house now & again struck someone(s) as “too Imperial crackdown-evocative; fans want Plucky Agents of Peace & Justice, and we’re still pretending the Republic Did Nothing Wrong.” Plus, of course, render budget being saved for story-purpose antagonist devices. Though now I’m wondering how far down a Subjugator’s ion bursts would cut the Munificent count needed to break even with a Mandator.
The solution to that is giving the Procurator to a traitorous admiral, or maybe a disloyal sector defense fleet, forcing our Plucky Agents of Peace & Justice to have to shut it down with some trickery.
About the Subjugator, since the ion wave seems to expand outwards area-wise fairly rapidly, targets at normal (?) engagement ranges of several light-seconds away can’t be taking that much ion energy, but corvettes, fighters, and other small craft are still probably disabled. A Mandator’s shields should be able to hold that, regardless of how much volume in the Subjugator is devoted to capacitor banks.
At point blank range, all bets are off, and total shield failure might be pretty plausible, but the Subjugator surviving until it can close to that kind of range against a Mandator’s fire is questionable. With similar hull shapes and the Mandator being 8km to the Subjugator’s 5km, and the Mandator II being a much more general-purpose design, the Republican dreadnaught has a pretty conclusive power-generation edge.
I suspect the CIS’s Subjugator to be somewhat akin to the Executor in role, being more suited to hunting down destroyer squadrons than engaging fellow superheavies, but that’s just speculation.
Not a bad scenario. You still might get some “wah why are the good guyz ships THAT Imperial-shaped” flap, but that was half the prequels’ point anyway.
Come to think of it, the sort of point-blank mayhem that might give a Subjugator its best disabling shot(s) would also demand some damned careful positioning on the part of its support screen-it’s either stay on your flag’s unengaged arcs at all costs or get zorched by ion splash. And all this is assuming the Mandator doesn’t have its own screen either present or a short jump away.
Eh, I figure that multi-role though it may be, the sheer scale gap between Ex and most prior superheavy designs would demand at least a half-dozen Praetor/Bellator-tonnage opponents (or two Mandator III-weight heavies) before you squeak out of mutually-assured destruction territory (well, ASSuming nobody breaks for hyperspace or scores a golden-BB hit). Then again, I’m also the schlub who gets a little sick of YouTube-comment fanwank about Eclipse & Sovereign (the latter of which basically got a silhouette-talk about napkin navies), so take that with an Atlantic coast’s worth of salt.
New Season of TCW
Ansel, that’s out of the park my friend.