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gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago

@Anon
Eh, if your navy has the budget for star destroyers, bulk orders of this later-model TIE or that might not be a make-or-break factor (though at the very least I’d be ordering hyperdrives for ’em all-better to pop into a fight fully deployed than launch under fire). As for the sensor/eyeball issue, current fighter & attack-chopper pilots make frequent use of helmet-mounted displays-combine that with 360-degree sci-fi scanner coverage, and the apparent blind spots of every SW light ship from TIEs to B-wings (or Lambda shuttles, the Falcon, etc…) become less of an issue.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Sithspit, missed the reply chain *again*.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Oh, right, forgot about recent fuselage-sensor (and sensor-jammer) developments. There might be a niche audience for such hard-sci scenarios, but frak knows you’d get tons of mainstream complaints re: “blaargh can’t follow anything so complicated WHY DON’T LAZORZ GLOW??”

Valoren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

I saw a theory somewhere who basically said that turbolaser bolts were really travelling at lightspeed, and that the green-glowing part of the beam was just a lucky (or not) byproduct, or some sort of voluntary tracer effect (I tend to lean toward the first one, since a voluntary effect would mean that they could deactivate it at any time). considering that the superlaser beam expanded not far from lightspeed, it seemed like an interesting idea.
Also, I would watch a movie like that.

Valoren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

There was also something about particles travelling at lightspeed, but trapped in a tight helix around the axis of the bolt by some exotic effect, which would permit the whole beam to travel at distinct subliminal speed. The “premature explosion” effect would be the result of the turbolaser battery failing to coordinate the tracer and the energy discharge.
It would have to account for the flak effects too, since energy generally doesn’t shatter in all directions unless there’s an obstacle in the way. My take on it is that the visible part of the bolt, who necessarily has some physicality to it, since it radiate light, is somehow responsable for its destabilization and explosion in mid-flight.

Valoren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge


Also, I think you mentionned somewhere on this website that neutrinos were used to compensate the massive reaction force created by turbolaser fire, since neutrinos possess momentum. Do you think they could employ the same technology in some sort of invisible maneuvering thruster ? That would explain the absence of any visible ones.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

…sweet Sithspew, would this somewhat haphazard tracer factor be a workable rationalization for the sparsity of visible M/HTL fire at Endor? Besides the camera spending most of its time glued to fighters & the Falcon, that is.

Valoren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge


Frankly, I’m don’t know much of the physics either, but, hey, it’s still fun to theorize. I re-read the ICS2 and the acclamator cross-section makes mention of neutrino radiators used to evacuate heat and energy in a non-destructive form.
@gorkmalork
Maybe. But there’s additional ways to explain it, like the fact that the imperial fleet was deliberately holding fire on the order of palpatine himself, and, like you said, the camera angles, who were either glued to dogfight or really far away. Still, on some occasion you can spot some action, like an SD and a corvette exploding in the background, or large flashes of light from luke’s vantage-point in the emperor personal quarters.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Fractal I found this New Republic ship called the Defender class assault carrier which is 700 meters long have 20 Laser cannons and carry 72 fighters what do you think?
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gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’m certainly not Fractal, but…while a 700-meter ship with that shape could probably pack in at least one wing, 20 fighter-wattage lasers would render something that size even more proportionately underarmed than a GR75 (y’know, the Rebel transports from ESB).

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Yeah that ship should have at best some quads medium turbolasers for self defense against other ships or possibly a few (around 2-3) single 40 TT caliber heavy turbolasers.
But hey at least is not as bad as the secondary armament of 24 point defense anti-aircraft cannons (Although all of them are quads so times that by 4 and you get 96 of them) on the First order dreadpizza.
Here are those quad cannons that I was mentioning: http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/08/star-wars-the-last-jedi-dreadnought-3.jpg

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Decent-looking quad mounts, but two dozen of ’em is still damned sparse for a battlecruiser/small dreadnought-tonnage ship. Cripes, I’m pretty sure the Impstar Deuces in ESB demonstrate better proportional point-defense density whilst taking bow/brim trench/ventral potshots at the Falcon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Ah the classic cannon fodder in 4K glory.
Ok I bet the next fighter 4K render is definitely going to be the TIE Interceptor.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Well, cannon fodder if your billing and/or midichlorian count is high. Otherwise…might wanna see Biggs, Jek and the Red 5 prior to Luke for a second opinion.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Well I mean the TIE fighter (The Galactic empire version) got no shields, no hyperdrive and have two big wing frames that make it easier to be hit by enemy fire and limit the pilot view, Plus the TIE Interceptor, Hunter, Avenger and Defender basically outclass it in everyway expect cost.
Although in canon the TIE Fighter have a proton torpedo launcher but that’s only in EA Star Wars Battlefront 1&2.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

I’ll just add (yet again) that ‘outclassed by next-gen variants’ doesn’t equate to ‘useless across the board’-‘specially when your most frequent opponent is still using Clone Wars bombers (albeit punchy ones) & barely-armed freighters like the GR75. I’d still prefer a squint or Avenger, but it’s not like your average onscreen pilot can exactly laugh off any flavor of TIE pursuit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Alright but if I were to choose which TIE model as my mainstay multi-role fighter in my navy I would have take either the TIE Hunter or the TIE Avenger over the TIE Fighter that way I can have both quality and quantity for my fighter wings if it weren’t for the high cost for each individual fighter made.
Also using sensors to find enemy fighter around you instead of looking from your cockpit? (unless that fighter was right in front of you) Huh so that why all TIE models don’t focus on the cockpit view but instead focusing on sensors neat.

Valoren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

The navy’s high command could also have asked sienar to remove the hyperdrive in order to prevent eventual desertion.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Suppose that’s another possibility-Rebels has them going so far as to make TIE wings *detachable* by remote signal, which almost derails Antilles & Klivian’s defection from a training facility.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago

Stock TIEs definitely strike me as best ‘shot’ from some offset angle below or above. That ‘hull wear’ texture helps these renders seem a bit more lived-in.