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ZrsaPro
ZrsaPro
10 days ago

Does anyone have the armaments for this ship?

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
6 months ago

This is so amazing!
I just want to say thanks to you for all these amazing models, this along with the assertor are among my absolute favourites. I have only just found this website and it is so cool to be able to find these models with such ease. You are an extremely talented person and I am totally blown away by these models.

I am also a big fan of the positioning of the turbo lasers on this model, having them in groups of 8 is very effective as other models such as the Executor-class were fire-linked in groups of 8.

Would it be possible to get the technical specifications of this model (like the length, armament, and complement), if so that would be awesome.

TheSpartan
TheSpartan
8 months ago

The ship’s model is great! But why are those three big generators for?

DarthCatius
DarthCatius
8 months ago
Reply to  TheSpartan

They’re not generators, they’re sensor domes. 😛

TheSpartan
TheSpartan
8 months ago
Reply to  DarthCatius

oh,thanks

DarthCatius
DarthCatius
10 months ago

I’d definitely add this beasty to my personal fleet! Excellent work from Fractal Drive Yards yet again. 🙂

APOLLO
APOLLO
10 months ago

the design is so cool i love it

PhoenixKnight
PhoenixKnight
2 years ago

Maybe some proof of Pot was in RotJ film.
Star Wars Technical Commentaries
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship

Evan
Evan
2 years ago
Reply to  PhoenixKnight

All this is, literally, is fans overthinking the fact that they kitbashed ships for several of these shots, particularly shots of things being destroyed because they didn’t want to screw up the nicer, complete Star Destroyer models because they were expensive.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Evan

Arthur: “Camelot!”

Lancelot: “Camelot!”

Galahad: “Camelot!”

Patsy: [muttered] “It’s only a model.”

Arthur: “Shh!”

Evan
Evan
2 years ago

This is an awesome model but honestly I doubt that this should be named as something unique. It’s logical to assume based on previously established canon that the image in Tales #21 is either a Procurator-class or Mandator I-class.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Evan

Eh, the plus-sized sensor/comm domes would seem to indicate more design specialization than prior text implies for either official ship.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

I like the suggestion below of this being the mythical Pride of Tarlandia. The excess of sensor globes suggests a platform with an above-average comm/scan capability.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

For some reason I usually visualize something closer to an Allegiance or Compellor cruiser in scale for PoT, but giving this design another link to official events is damned appealing.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

I too prefer the idea that the Tarlandia was closer in scale to a heavy destroyer or light cruiser than a dreadnought like the Legator. For one, it would have instantly stood out among all the other destroyers if it was a Legator rather then blending into the destroyer screen. Besides, if Tarlandia was destroyed by fighter strikes after brawling with a single MC80, it would make a lot more sense if it was an Allegiance than a Legator.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Bradshaw

That depends on whether or not the cruiser that did the damage was just a standard MC80 (there were three different sizes of Mon Cal cruisers on screen in the battle), and exactly how much damage it inflicted, and where (which would dictate whether or not a group of fighters could capitalize on it).

And in a high-tech environment, blending in visually is of questionable effectiveness when the “main communications ship” of the Imperial fleet will be identifiable by its electronic emissions.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

I don’t question the ability of in-universe rebels to identify a communications ship. My point was that we, the viewers only saw one giant dreadnought onscreen in numerous ROTJ fleet shots and every other visible ship seemed to be in the destroyer/light cruiser size range.

Yes, a 3800m Home One type is far more dangerous than a dinky Liberty against line destroyers, but a Legator still would outmass a Home One by an order of magnitude, not to mention far better firing arcs. An Allegiance against a Home One type might be a fair fight, but to a Legator it would still be a walk in the park. The Executor only lost bridge shields after a concentrated barrage from the entire Rebel battle line, and it would be difficult to imagine a similar dreadnought in her weight class going down without a similar concentration of effort.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Bradshaw

But if we’re going solely by what we see on screen, then there was never a Pride of Tarlandia at all. At no point in the space battle of Endor did anything like it occur. If, however, we are taking the novel itself at face value, then there was a lot more variety of ships available to the Alliance. In fact, based on the novel, it would seem the majority of hulls in the Rebel fleet were Corellian, not Mon Cal. In fact, the only place where Mon Cal cruisers fit into the description of the Rebel Fleet at all is the general “man-o-wars,” whereas the Corellian portion of the fleet is said to be composed of “battleships, cruisers, destroyers, carriers [and] bombers.”

If we’re going to assume that the main communication ship was present for the battle as described in the novel, then we have to assume the presence of a lot of other things in the novel that were never even hinted at on-screen, and limiting the novelized battle strictly by what is seen in RotJ would require throwing a lot of the novel out.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Film canon should take precedence over all other forms of media, but the novels absolutely are up there as long as they don’t explicitly contradict the film. Out of all the background Imperial ships, it is certainly plausible that one of the vaguely ISD-looking vessels is actually an Allegiance serving as a comms ship, that it fought and won against a fishtank, and then was knocked out. However, having a second dreadnought far closer in size to the Executor is a pretty big stretch.

And yes, the films don’t really focus on any large Corellian capitals, but there are non-Calamari rebel vessels in the films that could hail from Corellia. Besides, saying that there were a few Corellian frigates present requires a lot less explanation than a hidden dreadnought.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Bradshaw

I don’t mind a little wink/nod fudging of film canon so long as it is in the pursuit of incorporating as much of the EU as possible. It’s far more realistic that the Alliance fleet would be composed of a hodge-podge of varying ship types, rather than being entirely dominated by the Mon Cals. There are at least three ship types seen in the Rebel Fleet just prior to the battle (the Dornean gunship, plus two other mystery ships in the distant background) that are nowhere to be found in the actual battle itself, and there are plenty of ships in the Imperial fleet that are little more than dots against the background starscape that could be explained away as Legators as easily as Allegiances. It’s personal preference, but I like to think there were other Alliance ships present, like Dauntless-class Heavy Cruisers or Bulwark-Class Battle Cruisers, and maybe a few Clone Wars era ships, as well.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

For some reason, the Dauntless and Bulwark have always been absurdly ugly to me. Perhaps one day Fractal will redeem them like he did the Nebula and the Strike.

Over the years, so much EU stuff has been retconned to be present at Endor on the Rebel side, but considering how high of a strategic priority DS2 was, and how small most Rebel ships are, I don’t particularly mind. And yes, there were Imperial vessels that were small dots in the background, but from every shot of the Imperial formation, they were dwarfed by the command ship they were escorting. If you want to say that some of them were Victories and Allegiances and maybe Immobilizers, sure. I just don’t buy another 8km dreadnought.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Bradshaw

To each their own, but in the absence of a clear measurement of scale, there’s no way to tell how far behind the Executor some of those ships were. An 8km-long ship might appear the same size as a 2km-long ship simply by dint of being 20-30 kilometers behind it, especially if only appearing on screen for a second or so.

Sure, it’s shaky, and requires some suspension of disbelief, but my default setting is to include as much as possible from the EU into the SWU. If that means assuming certain ships were present at the Battle of Endor even though they never got any screen time, it’s something I’m willing to accept.

PhoenixKnight
PhoenixKnight
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Did Dr. Saxon showed a still frame of tej fleet with one larger than ISD but non- Executor scale destroyer?
Future posting for link

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  PhoenixKnight

Good memory-Saxon was indeed pointing out something from those long-distance fleet shots in Palpy’s throneroom. No exact figures to be had, but whatever it was seemed as large or larger than any Mon Cal present (and with a different bow shape).

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Decent exchange between you two-if anything, the presence of enough Rebel heavies to enable the golden-BB event chain of Executor’s death, even granted the boons of point-blank range and Palpy’s super-fettering ROE, tempts me to err toward ‘hey, maybe we never saw the *whole* of either fleet’. Plus, based on a minute’s Googling it’d be damned hard to distinguish Dauntlesses or Bulwarks (‘specially the former) from most Mon Cals at extreme-eyestrain range. I’m a bit on the fence WRT how many Home One-ballpark ships you’d need to mob & hobble a Legator whilst flat-out losing only one in return, but the text strikes me as vague enough for some wiggle room (maybe it became another ‘concentrate all fire’ target?).

Sidenote: between that mid-construction Impstar in Solo, Fractal positing the Praetor class as a CEC design & the novel/game discussion here, I’m starting to get curious WRT where/when/what percentage of Corellian shipyard products wound up flying the Alliance flag. Suppose it’s possible most of that was ex-Clone Wars materiel squirreled away in off-the-beaten-lane docks before the Imps locked down major yards, but talk about an under-explored transition.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

There were a couple Mon Cal concept art ships in the RotJ Art book that I figured for Corellian ships, on account of them being similar enough to MC’s at a distance, but distinct in the details. Armada co-opted one of them to make their MC30c, but it just doesn’t /feel/ like a Mon Cal.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/art/mcsketch1.jpg

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/sw2ij/mcold2.jpg

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

To me, Mon Cal ships are organic looking, all curves and random bulges. The two above ships have too many sharp edges and angles, and too few random bulges, to fit that look.

IMO, EC Henry’s Mon Cal Corvette from his Rebel Alliance Mystery Ships video is a much better conceptual fit for the MC30 as described (fast and maneuverable but fragile).

https://youtu.be/g5b0cxF8HOE

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

The video says he based it on the actual kit-bashed film miniature, though…

Either way, if you were to put the two ships side-by-side and ask me which one was a Mon Cal, I’d pick his over the MC30.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Great, *more* metadetail to be torn on. Perhaps the official-ish MC30’s lack of blister-itis could be chalked up to early/pre-Clone Wars design principles (that ‘Hull 721’ fic even compared it to a ‘baby Recusant’) & some overzealous ‘lighten at all costs’ order to compensate for the anemic thruster count/scale. Eric’s model certainly fixes the latter issue & even seems less spindly overall, though *two* conn-pods-on-diagonal-spars seem a bit much for anything corvette-scale. Can’t say I buy that ‘Dreadnaught’ retro-revision unless it’s another Rendili product of pointedly different scale/role, though (fast transport? Scout?). For the sake of retaining the current -30 (and Dread, I guess), I’d be tempted to shoehorn in all three of that vid’s ships with different designations for the two ‘retcon’ types.

That noted, between the Mon Cal/Quarren builders, Gallofree, Rendili & the *other* ROTJ blurs of debatable manufacture, I gotta wonder about the prevalence of ‘oblong teardrop’ as a hull design trend. Attempts to distance one’s company from the Core/KDY catalog whilst retaining (just) enough reactor space to seem competitive?

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

I like filling in the gaps of the existing EU wherever possible, and one of the possibilities that occured to me for the Dreadnaught conversion is the “Kesselian Blockade Runner” mentioned in the RotJ novel. A blockade runner would need a lot of speed to outrun customs inspectors, and with the massive engine block on that ship, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was quite fast. The other one I see as less of a dedicated refueling platform and more like a modular cargo hauler that can swap out the side pods for mission-specific modules.

Incidentally, here’s a take on a fourth mystery ship that can be seen at the end of ESB. I like the idea of it being the “Calamarian Tanker,” with the cockpit actually serving as a fully functional escape ship in emergencies (like if the ship’s hazardous cargo was about to explode).
https://www.shapeways.com/product/V2QETMTQF/armada-mc-19-light-freighter?optionId=77252385

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

I’d be sorely tempted to orient that thing like a B-wing in ‘attack’ mode (cockpit up ‘top’, everything else ‘beneath’) & mirror the ventral side’s engine layout, but that’s mainly my asymmetry allergy speaking. The detachable & well-partitioned cockpit (and your rationale) make sense to me, as does the blockade-runner role for that Dreadnaught ‘cousin’ (though I’m sure Rendili *tried* to market it as something Republic/Imp customs-approved).

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

The spinning cockpit had crossed my mind (it looks awfully weird tipped on its side on the miniature), but in ESB, the two ships this is modeled on are very clearly flying on the “flat” side, with the cockpit extending out to the starboard. I figure the cockpit section has airlocks and blast doors allowing the crew access to the main body of the ship, so it’s hard to see how a rotating B-Wing-type cockpit would fit with that.

Maybe marketing the Rendili as a courier or mailship. It’d be restricted to licensed courier services, but there are a myriad of ways a ship can fall into the hands of the Fringe…

Shaun
Shaun
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Remember that the pods/blisters on the larger cruisers were originally observation pods and luxury galleries from their high-end star liner days and provided ample space to add weapon emplacements, redundant shield generators, and extra sensors. The smaller MC’s lack of blisters could be attributed to a range of more utilitarian designs and programs and/or a more pragmatic approach to aesthetics/manufacturing.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

Fair points in favor of frigate-scale-and-smaller MCs winding up somewhat cleaner-hulled, ‘specially if a webbed handful of said designs stemmed from ex-CIS talent.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

Could be, but there’s other aesthetic aspects of the ship – particularly all the sharp angles and edges – that don’t seem to fit with Mon Cal cruisers as seen in RotJ. It might be more plausible to make them Clone Wars-era products of the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (makers of the Malevolence and Providence-class), but the two ships above bear only a general resemblance. By that standard, the Nebulon B and GR75 could’ve been classified as Mon Cal ships, too.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Eh, the Neb takes ‘spindly & angular’ to an especially distinctive extreme, though GR75s certainly have that teardrop hull/conn-pod combo in common with some MCs; it’s the ‘pre-ROTJ’ meta & cargo-container bric-a-brac which separates ’em in my book. As for that concept sketch with the scale-ref Impstar…TBH, I’m just not sure that demonstrates enough variance from what wound up onscreen to weight ‘different manufacturer’ over ‘shifting design trends’. If the base hull shape wasn’t so similar to Home One & the wingless Liberty cousin, I could roll with either ship possibly being Corellian, Sullustan, etc.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

It ultimately boils down to personal preference, but there is a limit to how many general shapes a starship can take before we have to look at the details to differentiate.

The other option would be to make the Dauntless a Corellian platform instead of a Sullustan (the Sullustans have the Liberator) and make it a multi-role hull that can be configured to a specific mission mid-way through construction, making it either a big-gun battleship, a carrier, a warhead launcher or a multi-role cruiser.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Agreed WRT that shape limit-suppose at this point I’m splitting hairs on just *where* said limit applies. And squinting a bit more at some of the Google results for Dauntless, I could halfway see a Strike-style quasi-modular design given the partitioning of those hull sections. Come to think of it, might that thing be Loronar’s shot at the destroyer market?

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

That’s a possibility, too. I just like the idea of finally ID’ing Han’s “big Corellian ships. It’s right there in the first film, but very few people have ever touched on it.

Daib
Daib
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Solo has added Corellia to film canon as a shipyard for Imperators. Perhaps Han is just talking about regular ISDs that happen to be built on Corellia, and might have a reputation for speed. After all, they do nearly overrun him in both in ANH and ESB.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Daib

But there is also the reference in the RotJ novel, where the bulk of the Alliance fleet is made up of Corellian capital ships, and Mon Cal cruisers barely get a mention. I mean, if you wanted to throw out all canon but the films, then sure, it’d be easy to toss Kuat Drive Yards out completely and have the Imperial Fleet be entirely designed and built by the Corellian Engineering Corporation, but the few clues that exist hint at something more.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

I’m sorely tempted to reconcile the ‘big Corellian ships’ line and Solo scene by positing that CEC was periodically cranking out things like the Praetor & at least a few more Republic-era heavies prior to the GCW (one of those Executor concept sketches seems a bit Praetor-ish), and as such had a jump on meeting KDY-subcontracted Imp production demands in addition to the plethora of existing lower-end and/or Rimward markets (hence the non-Mon Cal-or-Imp medium combatants in ROTJ). The sheer design range implied by stuff like the YT series, CR90s, Han’s line & that novel ref makes me doubt Impstars were the heaviest (or even most common) ship to emerge from Corellian yards.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

The Vengeance is a possibility there; that blockhouse-style bridge could be an indicator of Corellian capital ships, like on the Praetor…

Daib
Daib
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Aren’t there several EU sources that note that the Vengeance is a KDY product?

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Daib

The EU includes many contradictions. The Wookieepedia write-up on the Vengeance states that the course for it being a KDY product is the novel adaptation of Dark Forces 2 (assuming I’m reading it right; the sources are pretty sparse). So it may be that the Vengeance is a KDY product, but it’s also true that not all wedge-shaped ships are KDY products.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Come to think of it, component procurement & back-scratching arrangements between major builders might be convoluted enough that Vengeance’s bridge was an (argh) shipped-in CEC contribution (along with kriff knows how many other bits) while the hull was laid down at KDY.

LazerZ
LazerZ
3 months ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

I usually think of the Praetor as being a Corellian design as well. Sometimes I lean towards Rendili, but their known wedge-shaped vessels have bridge towers.

LazerZ
LazerZ
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

The MC30s were actually introduced in unmodded Forces of Corruption.

Evan
Evan
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

Yeah except the image this is based on takes place roughly 35 years before the Battle of Endor. The Pride of Tarlandia is ancient, arguably almost something that should be considered S-Canon, from the original Return of the Jedi Novelization.

CRMcNeill
CRMcNeill
2 years ago
Reply to  Evan

This thread has gotten long enough that I’m not quite sure who you’re replying to, so please excuse my confusion. Are you arguing that this ship /should/ be the PoT?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  CRMcNeill

I *think* Evan’s expressing doubts about PoT being a Legator due to the time gap between Clone Wars material & ROTJ. I’m not so sure SW naval tech ages out that rapidly, nor that the Imps would have any doctrinal/political motive to mothball the design, though none of this gives us a firm answer WRT PoT’s identity.

LazerZ
LazerZ
2 years ago
Reply to  Evan

I don’t think there is necessarily any reason to think that. In fact, I find it extremely unlikely that the Mandators were the only dreadnoughts in the galaxy at the time they were built, though they are apparently supposed to be the first.

Mr. Legends is best canon
Mr. Legends is best canon
3 years ago

What’s the difference between this and a regular super star destroyer?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago

If by ‘regular SSD’ you mean Executor, this is basically a smaller (less than 1/2 the length) predecessor with fewer thrusters & less dorsal bric-a-brac.

LazerZ
LazerZ
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

To me at least it seems like this ship might be more efficient in some of the Executor’s intended roles. Like if you want a flagship to command a battle from, this seems like it might be a more cost-effective choice. Then you can use Mandators or something as your ships of the line.

DiggusBickus
DiggusBickus
3 years ago

No offense, but this looks like the executor’s fattened cousin

DiggusBickus
DiggusBickus
3 years ago
Reply to  DiggusBickus

It does look awesome though

Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
3 years ago

Would this ship be a good personal ship?

Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
Fleet Admiral Lyrus Oran
3 years ago

Would this ship be a good personal ship or no?

Anonymous
3 years ago

So since the Legator can carry 50 fighter wings it make me wonder how many wings can the Executor carried?

Octosquid99
Octosquid99
3 years ago

How long is this ship

Darth Ashes
Darth Ashes
3 years ago

Hi Fractal

As someone mentioned the Pride Of Tarlandia, have you ever considered doing your interpretation of this mysterious ‘communications ship’ from RotJ? Using that command tower/bridge a lot of theorists have said could belong to it? Would be interesting to see! And we would finally have a ‘face’ to put to the ‘name’.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

how many starfighters does this ship carry

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

So Fractal since you said this ship can carry a army sized troop contingent does it mean it is either a field army (100k-300k troops) or a army group front? (2+ field armies)

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

So is technically both but the field army will be for normal invasion while a army group is for major invasion right?
Also I forgot about the largest unit the army theater can the Legator carry that or is it too much even for that ship?

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago

Unrelated to other interesting discussions already going on, I recently re-read the novelization of Return of the Jedi and also scoured around Wookieepedia a little in response.
During the Battle of Endor it is said that while the Executor is the only full “Super Star Destroyer” present, but both the new Disney Canon and Legends also identify the “Pride of Tarlandia”, which is described as a “Battlecruiser” which acts as a communication and coordination unit for the Imperial fleet.

Would it be too farfetched to headcanon the “Pride of Tarlandia” as being a vessel of the Legator-class considering its massive domes and their possible role?
With its 8km its significantly smaller than the Executor, but still way bigger than a regular ImpStar.

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
3 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

I was thinking that the domes could be shield generators, but apparently they are massive fire-control radars. Given how it is supposedly a battleship with 50TT Standardized Twins in Turrets, which is 3,580,000,000 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb in a single bolt. 2 of the bolts each time they fire a gun as they are twins. There are 362 of those guns on the ship. Want a planet gone? Point the ship at a planet, and rotate all the guns to hit as close to a focal point as they can, then “You may fire when ready.” Bye Bye Geonosis!

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
3 years ago

ftWoops, I missed the 4 DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MAIN THRUST NOZZLE! Woauldn’t they slag and melt? And what if they had an absent-minded gunner who sent a bolt directly down the engine shaft?

Grand Admiral 517
Grand Admiral 517
3 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

Sadly not. The Legator-class has the Tractor beam targeting array of the Imperial I-class while the Pride of Tarlandia is shown to have the communications tower of the Imperial II-class.

I’d say the Pride of Tarlandia is most likely an Allegiance-class

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago

Sorry, that was the Architect part of me speaking….. Great work, Fractal Sponge! Seriously though, could you try to make a Fleet Shield Generator type Ship? The uses for that ship would be unbelievably immense. At worst, it would just be a support ship. At best, it could keep an entire — or at least a significant portion — of a Sector Fleet alive to fight another day.

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago

So the Empire made a specialized Imperial-II Class Star Destroyer called the Conquerer and it had a super laser, right? They also made a Cruiser that can keep targets from escaping to lightspeed called the Interdictor. Why did the Empire not make a ship dedicated to protecting their own capitol ships? Then they would have the holy trio of Space Combat: a ship that could destroy nearly any ship with a single shot, a ship to keep the hostile vessels from escaping, and they would also have a ship that would keep their own ships safe from nearly all damage.

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago

Depends on what you mean by “protecting their capital ships”, from what threat?

Massive fighter/bomber attacks?
For this the Empire has the Raider-Corvette (new Disney-canon)/Lancer Frigate (Legends canon) or Carrack Cruisers.
They can also add a carrier to the group to counter enemy fighters with their own like i.e. a Ton-Falk Escort Carrier or a Venator-class Star Destroyer (the latter bringing also a bit of firepower with it).
Interdictor Cruisers themselves also have a sizeable anti-fighter armament.

Light ships swarming the lumbering bigger ones like the “Conqueror” (which was an one-of-a-kind experimental ship btw, not a true class for mass production)?
They have Arquitens-class Light Cruisers, Vindicator-class Heavy Cruisers, Nebulon B-Frigates, Victory II-Frigates, Gozanti Cruisers or Gladiator SDs to cover this area.

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

I mean a ship the size of the Legator devoted to powering a MASSIVE Deflector Shield. The ships you listed would be great for protecting, but at their own expense. The idea I have is a Fleet Support Ship. I originally thought that the Legator was like that, because of the huge domes.

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago

You mean like a flying theater shield that’s normally used for ground bases? Interesting idea, although I imagine it greatly hampering fleet mobility and draining on the energy resources of the ship in question.
Not to mention physical objects like fighters/drones or missiles could just fly through the deflector shield so unless there’s also a projected particle shield the support would be only partial.

The Legator-class is a battleship though, although a late Republic/early Empire one so it can be imagined serving in both Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War conflicts.

True to Republic doctrine it doesn’t have the “overwhelming firepower” of later fully Imperial designs, but does offer quite a room for fighters just like the main Republic workhouse, the Venator itself.
In contrast to the Venator’s 420 fighters though the Legator can carry 3600 fighters, which is more than double what a CIS Lucrehulk can carry.

Its form and the big engines also suggest to me that it may be reasonably fast and thus probably a “fast response”-type of ship used for Rapid response missions rather than normal battleline duty.
The big domes being extra strong sensors and surveillance/scanner equipment may also point towards such a role possibly combined with it being a coordination center for other fleet elements.
It having a dual role is also typical for most Republic ship classes during the Clone Wars so that would also fit.

I don’t know the exact numbers of its weaponry, but from what I’ve read from other comments it apparently uses the same heavy dual turbolaser turrets as the Venator in terms of main battery, of course in much higher numbers.
Judging by just viewing the model without zooming in, I can already count 192 turrets on the dorsal side (24 x 8) and 48 (6 x 8) on the ventral side which I suspect are the main battery, that’s not counting in any possible Ion cannons or medium Turbolasers that make up the secondary batteries.
Maybe fractal can list a definite take on this class’ armament?

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago

What is the job of this ship? would it be a shield magnifier? Put it in the middle of a fleet in a tight cluster formation, stacking their shields, so that this would drastically boost shield power? I don’t see many emplacements, unlike the Assertor or the Bellator. As a Non-fleet ship, this thing would be hillariously outgunned.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago

Those super-sized domes are apparently comm/EW/scanner devices; as for shield-stacking, dunno whether even your average battlecruiser/dreadnought would want to add ‘mobile theater defense’ to its already-hefty power demands, or whether the cost in general fleet mobility would be mitigated by such defensive coverage if it worked.

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Overlapping shields by getting close enough is possible. I was wondering because of, well, those massive domes, and also the apparent lack of offensive weapons. What is the point of those turrets, anyways? They look to small to do any severe damage to a major Capitol Ship, at least without focusing a quarter of that quadrant’s cannons on a singular target. Probably the easiest way to kill this ship is to swarm its rear belly section with a B-Wing Attack Run. There are only 4 turrets protecting the engines.

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
4 years ago

And yes, I know that the ship can still escape without it’s sublight engines, but if you swarm enough fighters, bombers, corvettes and frigates around it, and it wouldn’t be able to jump to hyperspace. Not without severely damaging itself at least and rupturing the domes and destroying the equipment inside. Also, the reason why I could see the Empire making a ship specifically made to generate a shield around other ships when they are in a tightly packed Attack Formation is because if the Dreadnoughts and Star Destroyers don’t have to worry about generating their own shields, then they can put the power that would go into the shields into the weapons. Imagine if they made an Executor heavily modified with massive shield generator domes to give the ship the ability to protect ships around it. At the Battle of Jakku, if the Executor was like /that/, then the Empire would have had won that battle fairly easily. Just keep the ISDs within the shield, while pouring fire out at the Republic ships.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

So I check this ship’s armaments and fighters and it carry a whopping 50 fighter wings (That over 8 fighter groups!) I mean wow make me wonder how many fighter wings can the Preator fleet carrier variant carry.
Anyway here the stats: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?p=4037308#p4037308
By away Fractal since 6 fighter wings make a group what would 6 fighter group would equal to?

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

It’s a battleship isn’t it?
So 600+ fighters are reasonable, especially since the Legator seems to be an late-Republic design (it has Venator-HTL turrets) and unlike the Imps the Republic had more of a focus on fighter craft.

I also find the Legator somehow very visually pleasing, it has a sleek yet dangerous looking design and seems to be capable of blasting apart any Separatist or Rebel vessel it faces (except maybe the Malevolence).

Where stands it power-wise anyways? I guess Executor, Assertor and Bellator are a few numbers too big for it to take on, but anything other it seems to have a fair chance against.

Also, just how big are those hangars?
It looks like it could take a Venator up in those without a problem.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

Well the ship is 8km in length which is battleship size but like I said it carry 50 wings of fighters (Which is equal to a whopping 3,600 fighters!) so I guess it could also be called a Battlecarrier (Although I kinda doubt Fractal would like that term to be use) but the Legator also have many EW and command equipment which make it more of the Command Ship.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Speaking of the Battlecarrier Fractal someone have use you Impellor and made it from the fleet carrier to the Battlecarrier although it’s classification was a Super Carrier.
It decrease the length to 3km and made it to have carry two full attack craft of fighters and interceptors, half the wing of bombers and a squadron of gunships although it oddly said in it’s hangers are 18 squadrons, it’s defenses is high and it’s speed and maneuverability were low.
Here are more information about it: http://starwarsrp.net/topic/109441-ifw-impellor-class-battle-carrier/

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Well I though there the chance someone might see that person stats first instead of yours and might get confuse of which one is right or wrong so sorry that I waste your time with that comment.
Anyway Fractal what do you think of the idea of the Battlecarrier?

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

With fan-made units there is strictly spoken no “right or wrong” in regards to stats as there exist many fan rps, fanon wikis etc. around the net and ships that don’t have official stats get assigned new and different ones everytime a design is repurposed for another alternate universe.

Even canon/Legends designs that do have official stats on pages like Wookieepedia get repurposed for differing purposes.

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Strictly spoken the Venator already is a “Battlecarrier” as it is a hybrid design of a medium destroyer and carrier vessel, although the carrier is its primary role and the destroyer the secondary one.
So the Legator following this line of thinking only on a bigger scale is reasonable to a degree considering the apparent doctrine of the “Old” Republic of having dual-role ships and a bigger emphasis on fighters than the later Empire has.

3600 fighters is certainly a huge complement, so I would guess that a Republic-era Legator would carry V19-Torrents and NTB-630 bombers early-Clone Wars, then switching to V-wings/Clone Z-95s and ARC-170 fighter/bombers in the late Clone Wars.

An Imperial Legator would obviously carry TIE Fighters/TIE Interceptors and TIE Bombers.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

I wonder how this would look with ISD 1 main turrets instead of Venator turrets

Grand Admiral Declann
Grand Admiral Declann
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

You mean the Octuple guns? Yeah, that would make it a seriously heavy hitter. It would be able to go toe-to-toe against a Mon Cal Cruiser, and win.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

That the ISD 2 guns which is the 32/40 teratons caliber, I’m talking about the duel 175 teratons caliber heavy turbolasers use by the ISD 1.
Plus the Legator already have the 175 teratons caliber heavy turbolasers which is the ball quads turbolasers in the trench alongside the ball quad 240 teratons caliber heavy ion cannons so I think it doesn’t need those ISD 1 guns.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Anyone have any thoughts on how long this is supposed to be?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Pretty sure it’s 8 km (which, oddly enough, was Executor’s quoted length in a ton of old-EU books & games).

Jason
Jason
4 years ago

Seeing these ships just makes me even more disappointed with the Sequels we’re getting. Chock full of crappy designs…

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago

Ooh, engine glow & shade-flourishes for Executor’s big-eared aunt. Supposed energetic implications aside, gold just fits this puppy, and that head-on ninth shot down is possibly its best angle.

Arvenski
Arvenski
4 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

That head-on shot is epic. Also, by order of Imperial Center, you’re required to listen to this while viewing these pictures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

Does Director Isard allow for soundtrack variants? ‘Cause this one seems like the Coruscant public-approved key: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9MShtCg4fk

Arvenski
Arvenski
4 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Ooh, that’s really cool. Thanks for linking. If the Empire were good guys, that’d be the music for them.

Chris Bradshaw
Chris Bradshaw
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

The Empire are the good guys. Look what happened when they fell apart. Hux and his merry band of Space Daesh took over.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

@Chris
Can’t help figuring that falls under ‘certain point of view’ territory, and one unlikely to be shared by a massive chunk of the galaxy-‘specially whomever the Death Stars (and then Starkiller) were scheduled to ‘reprimand’. Plenty of medium/low-echelon Imps weren’t privy to high command’s malfeasance, of course-in fact, I keep visualizing an ex-Remnant sector force or two throwing their lot in with the Resistance somewhere during/prior to Ep 8. That way we get Impstars, Tectors, Vics & the odd Praetor dueling Resurgents & siege pizzas alongside whatever NR fleet survived the Hosnian carnage. Doubtful the films themselves will allow for that shade of gray, but hey-big galaxy.

Arvenski
Arvenski
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

@Gorkmalork
“I keep visualizing an ex-Remnant sector force or two throwing their lot in with the Resistance somewhere during/prior to Ep 8.” I’d love it if that were the case. Good-guy pseudo-Imperials would be fun to see, especially if they had their own aesthetic that was recognizably Imperial in origin but was also different, indicating how these people have changed since the time of Palpatine’s Empire.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

@Arvenski
Dunno about you, but ‘my’ aesthetic(s) would involve less standardized paint jobs & unit markings on everything from battlecruisers (Republic-style stripes?) to TIE squadrons (desert-tan Avengers, anyone?), depending on where said fleets were originally stationed. Plus, (a) a notable percentage of nonhuman grunts & officers and (b) an eclectic second-line assortment of supply-chain superfreighters & captured pirate/Black Sun/Hutt cartel assets-after a couple years their access to original Imp resources/channels would be patchy at best.

Arvenski
Arvenski
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

@Gorkmalork
Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinking. Non-standard paint schemes on ships, with lots of visible wear, tear, and sort-of-repaired battle damage in places. Troopers might have camouflaged armor, like the clones used to, and could be equipped with a motley assortment of gear and weapons. (A good touch would be if most troops weren’t using full helmets anymore. That would show that these people have come a long way from being Imperials, and would emphasize their humanity, since we could see their faces.) What I’m thinking of are the Rebel soldiers from Rogue One, but with a bit more of an Imperial look to them. And yeah, definitely a good amount of aliens and women (I know women in the Imperial military have been canon for ages, but we never see them in the films) throughout the ranks.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

@Arvenski
Now that you mention partial helmets: I’m starting to ponder what scout-biker headgear would look like with a Scarif beachtrooper dye job & detachable air filter.

Valoren
4 years ago
Reply to  Arvenski

There was a guy in one scene of Rogue one, who wore a scout helmet dyed in black.

Daniel w
Daniel w
4 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Avenski… it all depends on the mood of the propaganda. The first for ‘You can’t win, surrender now.’ the second for ‘See we’re really not so bad.’

can you just imagine Vader visiting Palpy’s Youth Center? mwhahaha

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

You know at this point my predictions just going to be luck based so I’l just accept which ships or fighters going to get a 4K render instead of randomly guessing which is next.
Also the engines glow orange this time huh so i guess the acceleration speed will be between red slowest and blue fastest right?

Xeno
Xeno
4 years ago

absolutely gorgeous

I’ll always be attached to this ship, thanks to it’s name, shape, and personal appeal, but *damn*, you are truly a magician, captain

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
4 years ago
Reply to  Xeno

That reminds me: fine suggested moniker on your part.