Looks great though I kind of prefer the way the cockpit looked in-game vs most of the cutscenes as the oval shape gives it a more unique look compared to the rest of the TIEs and that and the balanced fore and aft wings stops it from looking like just an upgraded TIE Interceptor.
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Nate
1 year ago
I think this is officially my favorite Imperial fighter, and one of my favorite fighters in Star Wars. Comparable armament and shielding to an x-wing, with better speed and maneuverability. Defender is more powerful, but this thing is just plain sexy, and it would be a harder target to hit in a dogfight.
Admiral Senn
1 year ago
I’m surprised that the empire lost with these in there arsenal
I don’t believe TIE Avengers were ever mass produced. Legends says they cost 400,000 credits a pop. That’s 100,000 more than the better TIE Defender. The TIE Defender definitely would’ve won the Galactic Civil War for the Empire, but Palpatine was an idiot who preferred fear-inducing theatrics over sound war strategies.
So Fractal on a topic of space superiority fighter how well do you think the rebel’s X-wing does?It is as good as everyone said it is or the X-wing is not all that special and it was just overpraising?
Strip away the character shields, game balancing, and acts of plot and I do think it has a bit of a Spitfire halo effect. It was good in relative terms when it was needed (Yavin, basically) but there are better fighters out there. In a variety of background material if the pilots are roughly equal an XW would almost never survive an encounter with, say, a Defender. There would be outlier events but you just can’t regularly beat better shields, 50% more firepower, and 50% more acceleration/agility. It’s like an early model Spitfire vs an Me-262. Just not even close.
Right although that got me thinking since any rebel fighter cannot match the defender do you think the rebels could created a powerful fighter that could match the defender without any plot armor and any so called ace pilot?
Neat it would be cool to see your take on a rebel counterpart of the defender.
Maphisto86
5 years ago
Beautiful rendition of one of my favorite old EU TIE designs.
gorkmalork
5 years ago
Haphazard thread-blathering on my part aside: gawd is your take on this beast a thing of dire beauty. Closest thing to an awkward angle would be to the rear, and even there the middle-panel cutout renders an Avenger predatory coming or going.
Anonymous
5 years ago
By away in legends this fighter, TIE Defender, Missile Boat and Starwing are quipped with a Tractor Beam which is optional.
…I could halfway see a Starwing packing enough juice for such a thing, but seriously? Even considering the maneuver-tightening malarkey (by locking onto capships & stations) & prison-break antics of that one X-wing book where the Rogues get to play with Defenders (Isard’s Revenge, IIRC), strikes me that fighter-scale craft have enough trouble splitting thrust/firepower/shields without tossing tractors into the mix.
Anonymous
5 years ago
You know when you compare the TIE Avenger and the TIE Interceptor side by side they basically the same but the Avenger have a bigger hull and more engines than the TIE Interceptor which make it more powerful (More power storage) and faster. Unless the TIE Interceptor have greater maximum speed than the TIE Avenger and if not then the Interceptor is basically outclass in everyway but cost.
But that just my guess on what their roles are so what does the TIE interceptor have that the TIE Avenger does not have I mean interceptor type fighters are meant to be the fastest right like the rebel’s A-wing?
According to an ILM small-ship speed reference chart for ROTJ, Interceptors are just a smidgen slower than A-wings (though packing a lot more lasers). Vis-a-vis Avengers, the stock squint’s advantages might be limited to a smaller side-profile and price tag, though apparently Interceptors *can* be retrofitted with (ray?) shields, hyperdrive & (concussion?) warhead launchers, plus little ‘winglet’ radiator(?) panel-extensions so the former two systems don’t overtax ’em ( http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/15/14249/royalness.1.jpg ) The resulting ship *almost* matches an Avenger’s performance/versatility (might still have a bit less thrust/weight), and apparently saw some use as a VIP escort.
Ah that is the Emperor’s Royal Guard TIE Interceptor which look awesome but I’m talking about what does the normal TIE Interceptor have that the TIE Avenger does not have (apart from being cheaper).
Although it does make me think what the Emperor’s Royal Guard TIE Defender would look like being coloured red and having winglets.
Dunno how the winglets would work/look on a Defender, since all its main panels are bent *outward* rather than inward-at least mechanics would have plenty of extra crannies to crawl on. Plus, Fractal’s model provides actual fuselage space for all those extra systems & engine power, though perhaps one could also stick a small Inquisitor TIE-style ‘trunk’ & rear ‘wing’ extensions on the Guard Interceptors & other mods. Anyhow, Avengers clearly have an edge on stock squints, though not enough to render pilot quality (or surprise) a total non-factor.
Chris Bradshaw
5 years ago
Ah, the Tie Interceptor that went to college and picked up the freshman 15. Awful jokes aside, the model and lighting is phenomenal
Most of the mashups with TIE cockpits or squint wings seem to retain just enough aesthetic flow for my tastes, but anything with /ln hex-panels & a snub fuselage? No thanks. That noted, I don’t dare touch the ergonomic/engineering issues with such kit-welds.
Although there is probably the coolest one called Deathraven which is two B-wings combined together use by a mercenary pilot called Erron Kell:/revision/latest?cb=20130812181434
@Anonymous
It isn’t actually the weirdest or most repulsive one. Ugly-builders also use part from ground vehicle, and some maniac decided that it would be a good idea to stick two TIE hex-wings on an the sides of an AT-AT decapitated head. Imagine encountering that in combat.
@Valoren
Friggin’ figures someone would hash out an equally derpy opposite for the TIE-tanks. Sad thing is, that might STILL have a better visual flow than the Y-TIE (although I’m honestly not sure how *its* TYE-wing opposite is so weaksauce. Those extra engine pods kriff up crucial power couplings for the TIE ball or something?)
@Anon
Stang, that sounds awkward with the S-foils locked & upright-especially in atmosphere. Almost as goofy as that Mando fighter from Rebels with the perpetual propeller-style wing rotation.
@gorkmalork
Apparently, the TYE-wing was also nicknamed the die-wing, because… you know.
There was also the X-TIE, a TIE cockpit with four T-65 wings sticked on it, and the corellian B-wing, who was B-wing with a Falcon-type oversized cockpit fixed at the end in lieu of the standard one.
Ok seriously guys, uglies are a stupid idea. They look awful and don’t make any sense. Fighters are going to be precision engineered vehicles – it’s not like swapping turrets or superstructures on a big ship. Everything has to work together and be balanced against each other. On top of that is a scale issue – a TIE is MUCH smaller than any alphabet fighter except maybe an AW. Imagine taking the wings off an F-22 and replacing them with the swing-wing assembly off a Tu-22. Anyone think it would be decent? Or even FLY?
@Valoren
Actually That the Chir’daki use by Twi’leks this is the X-TIE.
:/revision/latest?cb=20070724133903
There also the Z-TIE which is TIE wings on a Z-95 Headhunter which look basically the same as the X-TIE and the X-ceptor which is TIE Interceptor wings on a X-wing cockpit.
@Fractal
Suppose you’re owed an apology for the colossal thread-digression, at any rate. Agreed for the most part *if* one’s shooting to even approach competitive performance, though SW tech seems leagues more forgiving re: certain values of balance (aerodynamics, fr’instance, seem a patently tertiary concern). I suspect you *could* rig up some of the less blatantly horrid examples noted above-just don’t expect ’em to win anything but a few thousand creds at the Jundland Junkmeet.
Well if you strip the wings off a Tu22m backfire and slap them onto an F-22, you get what kind of looks like an ASF-14/21 Super Tomcat, a canceled stealthy F-14 total rebuild proposed in the late 90s capable of 77 degrees of sustained AoA. The Northrop Grumman team that ran performance models for it were stunned at its maneuverability, range, and endurance, but alas it was killed by Dick Cheney.
No, you take the wings from a 58 ton aircraft and put it on a 20 ton aircraft. It’s not a change in style, it’s an actual exchange of parts in an Ugly.
Oh right then I guess they most likely don’t work especially the DIE wing although the Deathraven might be useful.
But if you though the uglies in legends were something the ones in canon take it even futher of how ridiculous it got.
Something like this:/revision/latest?cb=20161220200017
My big complaint with Uglies is that they’re made out of exclusively TIEs and Rebel fighters, as if other starfighters do not exist. I mean, there are a lot of problems with them and the “would this even WORK?” question is totally valid, and I agree. But it just kills me that the kitbash ships are almost ALWAYS kitbashed from the same six ships.
George Apley
5 years ago
With they’d paid you for this model rather than that Silencer BS…
Spaceman 28
5 years ago
Looks like Kylo Ren’s new ship. Except smaller. And fatter. But a hell of a lot more powerfull.
Yeah especially being smaller since the TIE Silencer was around 17.5 meters long, 7.6 meters wide and 3.8 meters tall while the Avenger was just around 10 meters long.
I’ll admit to morbid amusement that after stewing over a couple pages on the FFG forums rationalizing the Avenger’s omission from that X-wing game (‘too Interceptor-like’, ‘not as kewl as Defender’, etc.), now we have Ep 8’s designers seemingly lifting cues straight from this TIE’s 90s PC-gaming roots with a side of DAHK SIED(R) stylization. Which seems fitting for Mr. Ren’s Sith inadequacy issues, though Fractal’s model has it beaten hollow on most counts.
Whaaaa… but !.. No ! look, the silencer has a square cockpit with a weird red-colored window. It’s a completely original design. and it’s EEVILLL!
Jokes aside, It’s actually tragic that a guy like you doesn’t work on the new franchise. Even if it would be a charity work at this point, it would at least be a well-paid one.
I would enjoy blowing Kylo Ren’s stupid unoriginal silencer out of the sky with this baby.
Especially if it had a decoy beam, and my character was Maarek Stele
Looks great though I kind of prefer the way the cockpit looked in-game vs most of the cutscenes as the oval shape gives it a more unique look compared to the rest of the TIEs and that and the balanced fore and aft wings stops it from looking like just an upgraded TIE Interceptor.
I think this is officially my favorite Imperial fighter, and one of my favorite fighters in Star Wars. Comparable armament and shielding to an x-wing, with better speed and maneuverability. Defender is more powerful, but this thing is just plain sexy, and it would be a harder target to hit in a dogfight.
I’m surprised that the empire lost with these in there arsenal
I don’t believe TIE Avengers were ever mass produced. Legends says they cost 400,000 credits a pop. That’s 100,000 more than the better TIE Defender. The TIE Defender definitely would’ve won the Galactic Civil War for the Empire, but Palpatine was an idiot who preferred fear-inducing theatrics over sound war strategies.
Yeah…but bad thing the Empire was ruled by idiots like Palpatine and Tarkin
I wish there were model kits of this. Thank the Gods for kitbashing.
Hey, man, do you have fbx’s of this stuff available to download? I really would like to have a model of this to animate.
I get ripped off way too much to publicly post models.
So Fractal on a topic of space superiority fighter how well do you think the rebel’s X-wing does?It is as good as everyone said it is or the X-wing is not all that special and it was just overpraising?
Strip away the character shields, game balancing, and acts of plot and I do think it has a bit of a Spitfire halo effect. It was good in relative terms when it was needed (Yavin, basically) but there are better fighters out there. In a variety of background material if the pilots are roughly equal an XW would almost never survive an encounter with, say, a Defender. There would be outlier events but you just can’t regularly beat better shields, 50% more firepower, and 50% more acceleration/agility. It’s like an early model Spitfire vs an Me-262. Just not even close.
Right although that got me thinking since any rebel fighter cannot match the defender do you think the rebels could created a powerful fighter that could match the defender without any plot armor and any so called ace pilot?
Of course they could – there’s nothing magical about Defender technology. But they haven’t.
Neat it would be cool to see your take on a rebel counterpart of the defender.
Beautiful rendition of one of my favorite old EU TIE designs.
Haphazard thread-blathering on my part aside: gawd is your take on this beast a thing of dire beauty. Closest thing to an awkward angle would be to the rear, and even there the middle-panel cutout renders an Avenger predatory coming or going.
By away in legends this fighter, TIE Defender, Missile Boat and Starwing are quipped with a Tractor Beam which is optional.
…I could halfway see a Starwing packing enough juice for such a thing, but seriously? Even considering the maneuver-tightening malarkey (by locking onto capships & stations) & prison-break antics of that one X-wing book where the Rogues get to play with Defenders (Isard’s Revenge, IIRC), strikes me that fighter-scale craft have enough trouble splitting thrust/firepower/shields without tossing tractors into the mix.
You know when you compare the TIE Avenger and the TIE Interceptor side by side they basically the same but the Avenger have a bigger hull and more engines than the TIE Interceptor which make it more powerful (More power storage) and faster. Unless the TIE Interceptor have greater maximum speed than the TIE Avenger and if not then the Interceptor is basically outclass in everyway but cost.
But that just my guess on what their roles are so what does the TIE interceptor have that the TIE Avenger does not have I mean interceptor type fighters are meant to be the fastest right like the rebel’s A-wing?
According to an ILM small-ship speed reference chart for ROTJ, Interceptors are just a smidgen slower than A-wings (though packing a lot more lasers). Vis-a-vis Avengers, the stock squint’s advantages might be limited to a smaller side-profile and price tag, though apparently Interceptors *can* be retrofitted with (ray?) shields, hyperdrive & (concussion?) warhead launchers, plus little ‘winglet’ radiator(?) panel-extensions so the former two systems don’t overtax ’em ( http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/15/14249/royalness.1.jpg ) The resulting ship *almost* matches an Avenger’s performance/versatility (might still have a bit less thrust/weight), and apparently saw some use as a VIP escort.
Ah that is the Emperor’s Royal Guard TIE Interceptor which look awesome but I’m talking about what does the normal TIE Interceptor have that the TIE Avenger does not have (apart from being cheaper).
Although it does make me think what the Emperor’s Royal Guard TIE Defender would look like being coloured red and having winglets.
Dunno how the winglets would work/look on a Defender, since all its main panels are bent *outward* rather than inward-at least mechanics would have plenty of extra crannies to crawl on. Plus, Fractal’s model provides actual fuselage space for all those extra systems & engine power, though perhaps one could also stick a small Inquisitor TIE-style ‘trunk’ & rear ‘wing’ extensions on the Guard Interceptors & other mods. Anyhow, Avengers clearly have an edge on stock squints, though not enough to render pilot quality (or surprise) a total non-factor.
Ah, the Tie Interceptor that went to college and picked up the freshman 15. Awful jokes aside, the model and lighting is phenomenal
Seems more like a squint that didn’t skip leg day to me. Seconded in full on the latter points, of course.
Have you ever thought of making one of the Uglies? Like a TYE Wing?
No. They’re called Uglies for a reason, and I like my eyesight intact 🙂
Most of the mashups with TIE cockpits or squint wings seem to retain just enough aesthetic flow for my tastes, but anything with /ln hex-panels & a snub fuselage? No thanks. That noted, I don’t dare touch the ergonomic/engineering issues with such kit-welds.
But the ugliest of the uglies fighters is the Z-‘ceptor:
/revision/latest?cb=20150802035312
Yeah trying to make this will really give you a headache.
That puppy’s repulsive, but still *vaguely* aerodynamic-looking. Whereas sandwiching TIE panels on a Y-wing fuselage just does not work.
Although there is probably the coolest one called Deathraven which is two B-wings combined together use by a mercenary pilot called Erron Kell:
/revision/latest?cb=20130812181434
@Anon
That…actually looks like a damned functional light gunship, though don’t tell me the cockpit-collar fuselage(s) rotation mechanism still works.
@Anonymous
It isn’t actually the weirdest or most repulsive one. Ugly-builders also use part from ground vehicle, and some maniac decided that it would be a good idea to stick two TIE hex-wings on an the sides of an AT-AT decapitated head. Imagine encountering that in combat.
@Gorkmalork
It does rotate ” the Deathraven boasted a larger, central cockpit with the two B-wing hulls rotating around it.”
@Valoren
Friggin’ figures someone would hash out an equally derpy opposite for the TIE-tanks. Sad thing is, that might STILL have a better visual flow than the Y-TIE (although I’m honestly not sure how *its* TYE-wing opposite is so weaksauce. Those extra engine pods kriff up crucial power couplings for the TIE ball or something?)
@Anon
Stang, that sounds awkward with the S-foils locked & upright-especially in atmosphere. Almost as goofy as that Mando fighter from Rebels with the perpetual propeller-style wing rotation.
@gorkmalork
Apparently, the TYE-wing was also nicknamed the die-wing, because… you know.
There was also the X-TIE, a TIE cockpit with four T-65 wings sticked on it, and the corellian B-wing, who was B-wing with a Falcon-type oversized cockpit fixed at the end in lieu of the standard one.
Ok seriously guys, uglies are a stupid idea. They look awful and don’t make any sense. Fighters are going to be precision engineered vehicles – it’s not like swapping turrets or superstructures on a big ship. Everything has to work together and be balanced against each other. On top of that is a scale issue – a TIE is MUCH smaller than any alphabet fighter except maybe an AW. Imagine taking the wings off an F-22 and replacing them with the swing-wing assembly off a Tu-22. Anyone think it would be decent? Or even FLY?
@Valoren
/revision/latest?cb=20070724133903
Actually That the Chir’daki use by Twi’leks this is the X-TIE.
:
There also the Z-TIE which is TIE wings on a Z-95 Headhunter which look basically the same as the X-TIE and the X-ceptor which is TIE Interceptor wings on a X-wing cockpit.
@Fractal
Suppose you’re owed an apology for the colossal thread-digression, at any rate. Agreed for the most part *if* one’s shooting to even approach competitive performance, though SW tech seems leagues more forgiving re: certain values of balance (aerodynamics, fr’instance, seem a patently tertiary concern). I suspect you *could* rig up some of the less blatantly horrid examples noted above-just don’t expect ’em to win anything but a few thousand creds at the Jundland Junkmeet.
Well if you strip the wings off a Tu22m backfire and slap them onto an F-22, you get what kind of looks like an ASF-14/21 Super Tomcat, a canceled stealthy F-14 total rebuild proposed in the late 90s capable of 77 degrees of sustained AoA. The Northrop Grumman team that ran performance models for it were stunned at its maneuverability, range, and endurance, but alas it was killed by Dick Cheney.
Artist’s impression:
No, you take the wings from a 58 ton aircraft and put it on a 20 ton aircraft. It’s not a change in style, it’s an actual exchange of parts in an Ugly.
@Fractal
Well to be fair the uglies were mostly use by pirates and smugglers that lack the resources to buy or build good quality starfighters.
I don’t question whether they might be optimal. I question if they should logically WORK AT ALL.
Oh right then I guess they most likely don’t work especially the DIE wing although the Deathraven might be useful.
/revision/latest?cb=20161220200017
But if you though the uglies in legends were something the ones in canon take it even futher of how ridiculous it got.
Something like this:
My big complaint with Uglies is that they’re made out of exclusively TIEs and Rebel fighters, as if other starfighters do not exist. I mean, there are a lot of problems with them and the “would this even WORK?” question is totally valid, and I agree. But it just kills me that the kitbash ships are almost ALWAYS kitbashed from the same six ships.
With they’d paid you for this model rather than that Silencer BS…
Looks like Kylo Ren’s new ship. Except smaller. And fatter. But a hell of a lot more powerfull.
Yeah especially being smaller since the TIE Silencer was around 17.5 meters long, 7.6 meters wide and 3.8 meters tall while the Avenger was just around 10 meters long.
Silencer looks like mine. I made this model in 2010
With they’d paid you for this model rather than that Silencer BS…
Well you know what I mean.
Your looks better anyway. More badass.
Yeahm, because its actually designed well and not all needlessly red and angular and black because its TEH EBIL.
I’ll admit to morbid amusement that after stewing over a couple pages on the FFG forums rationalizing the Avenger’s omission from that X-wing game (‘too Interceptor-like’, ‘not as kewl as Defender’, etc.), now we have Ep 8’s designers seemingly lifting cues straight from this TIE’s 90s PC-gaming roots with a side of DAHK SIED(R) stylization. Which seems fitting for Mr. Ren’s Sith inadequacy issues, though Fractal’s model has it beaten hollow on most counts.
Whaaaa… but !.. No ! look, the silencer has a square cockpit with a weird red-colored window. It’s a completely original design. and it’s EEVILLL!
Jokes aside, It’s actually tragic that a guy like you doesn’t work on the new franchise. Even if it would be a charity work at this point, it would at least be a well-paid one.
I would enjoy blowing Kylo Ren’s stupid unoriginal silencer out of the sky with this baby.
Especially if it had a decoy beam, and my character was Maarek Stele