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chris
chris
2 years ago

General thought on all your work…Have you considered some basic stats the ships…length, crew complement, number of what types of weapons, embarked fighters/shuttles/walkes/etc…

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
2 years ago

By the way, Fractal, I know this is intended for pre-production Acclamator design, but I noticed that this has a Venator-inspired bridge with viewport instead of the Acclamator windowless structure. Was this more to the point of a feature that was removed in the “finalization” of the Acclamator and reintroduced into the Venator at a later stage, or do you always wish Acclamators to have viewport all along?

czslworldtour
czslworldtour
2 years ago
Reply to  PhantomFury

It’s a frigate based off of an Acclamator, not an Acclamator preliminary.

Joseph
Joseph
2 years ago

I’m rather curious as to the ship armaments compared to a Victory class Star Destroyer, as it’s clearly an upgrade compared to one so my guess would be better point defense weapon systems.

Bob
Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

It’s an older ship, pre Clone Wars, the Victory would be newer. The idea is the acclamator class was developed using this hull as a basis. We can see 48 MTL in a dozen quad turrets, and 18 HTL in 6 triple turrets. I haven’t bothered to count out the twin heavy lasers as he is still detailing the hull. I *think* I see a port side tractor beam battery, which probably has a mirrored starboard battery.

Bob
Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

I forgot to mention the ship is nearly 100 meters shorter than a Victory SD, and I think the volume is less, not to mention that most of the additional length over its ‘child’ the Acclamator almost 100 meters shorter) are in those fantail decks over the engines.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Right, between likely-heavier HTL mounts & its nasty antiship missile magazine the Vic would handily edge out one of these in a slugging match. You’d probably need 2 or 3 to contend with said destroyer, though it might have a solid edge WRT sublight acceleration. Come to think of it, these frigates might’ve come in handy running down & harrying targets for Vic-centric squadrons.

Bob
Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

I’m trying to figure out either a fighter or shuttle complement for it, and possibly how many troops it might carry. Bigger than an Acclamator, but clearly laid out as a fighting ship rather than a troop transport, maybe a third of the volume in comparison to its offspring? What do you think?

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

How much fighters can it hold in pure carrier role? There is carrier version of Acclamators in the Battle of Muunulinst that carry 156 V-19? Can it be Acclamator that was modified to resemble Proclamator’s design? I supposed it can have at least 3 squadron per hangar in carrier role and 2 if mixed with support assault shuttles and so on.

Bob
Bob
2 years ago

While this is more of a ship of the line rather than a carrier, what sort of troop compliment and fighters or shuttles might it carry? Over 800 meters is a lot of ship.

Sephiroth0812
Sephiroth0812
2 years ago

Considering the quality of Fractal’s models the decision makers at Disney/Lucasfilm should seriously consider hiring him to make the new models for both the New Republic/Resistance and the First Order.
The Mandator Mk IV-“Dreadnought” in TLJ looks butt ugly (like a metallic pizza slice) and Snoke’s massive “Boomerang” ship his no better.
On the Resistance’s side the “Raddus” looks like a toned-down version of the Viscount-class from Legends and the other ships are totally forgettable design-wise.

Admiral Drakkmar
Admiral Drakkmar
2 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

I particularly hate the B/SF-17 Resistance Bomber. It looks like a cordless drill flying through space. Also, the name B/SF- 17 Starfortress is totally unimaginative. They are, essentially, copying the name of the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress used by the US during the Second World War. Just lazy writing and piss-poor design.

Valoren
Valoren
2 years ago

I think the worst offender in that respect is the shuttle Finn and Rose flee the wreckage of the supremacy in. The xi-class shuttle or something… probably one of the most ugly design to come out of the Star Wars franchise as a whole.

Anonymous
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Yeah it look like a thin noseless Lambda and it called a light shuttle but it too big to be one unlike the Mu (Which Fractal have created) which is actually small (Here the link to it: http://fractalsponge.net/?p=3106).
Also here the dimensions of the Xi for someone who it curious about it:
Length: 11.84 meters (38.84 ft)

Width: 22.87 meters (75.04 ft)

Height/depth: 18.31 meters (60.08 ft)

Shaun
Shaun
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

They were clearly more focused on telling a good story than they were on developing good design… e_e

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

I can’t tell if that was sarcasm. Though the little face at the end may have been intended to give that away…In all honesty I hope that was sarcasm, as I don’t think Last Jedi can claim to have had anything people would reasonably term as being ‘Good Story’.
Sigh…I suppose I shouldn’t rip on you if you actually liked it. You’re entitled to your opinion. I just disagree.

Valoren
Valoren
2 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

Well, either way the point about the general horrendousness of the designs stand. Even if this film had the best story of the entire franchise, it would still lack something every Star Wars movie to this point had, and part of what made them stay memorable over the years.

countvertex
countvertex
2 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

I agree on many things regarding the Sequels. Here is some psychology to help you sleep at night:
Think of the Original Trilogy like you have been an eye witness and seen the actual events. Of the Prequels and the Sequels think of being presented with third hand information – like a story from another time being told many times and each time changing, exaggerating, omitting things. So what you see on screen in these movies is only a twisted display of the “real” events. Makes everything a little more bearable.

countvertex
countvertex
2 years ago
Reply to  countvertex

Just to avoid misreading my previous post I should maybe have written: I agree on many (of the critical) things (said) regarding the Sequels…

Valoren
Valoren
2 years ago
Reply to  countvertex

@countvertex
That’s probably the best way to deal with it, but prequels and sequels aren’t nearly on the same level in that regard in my opinion. With the sequel trilogy (and particularly TLJ) you’re almost forced to follow that line of reasoning if you want to make any sense of what’s happening on screen (like the universe-collapsing hyper-ramming scene).

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Valoren

Yeah, for all the prequels’ issues WRT acting quality, the tech-pr0n scenes & accompanying lore were fairly consistent (with, granted, plenty of wiggle room to keep debate-boards churning re: this widget or that). Hopefully Ep 9 at least gives the Miraculous Hyperstunts(R) a rest.

czslworldtour
czslworldtour
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Supposedly it’s the cockpit module on the transport Leia used in TFA.

roddy
roddy
2 years ago

Stratofortress was the namegrab

roddy
roddy
2 years ago
Reply to  roddy

And frankly the Stratofortresses were much faster at a comparable 288 MGLTs atmospheric

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Sephiroth0812

Ooh, ST design-salt chain. TBH, Raddus & the Nebulon descendant(s?) accompanying it seemed decent-looking enough-too bad nuthin’ but a straight-line Doom Cruise(R) and admittedly nifty hyperkamikaze finish was in the cards for either. Ditto for the latest-gen A-wings, which didn’t exactly reinvent any wheels but at least visually flow a bit better than the T-70 jigsaw-snub. That ‘bunker-buster’ corvette, however, laterally overbuilt the kriff outta its CR90 base plan. Oh, and the peeps downthread have a real point WRT TFA & TLJ’s parade of bland-as-Sithspew transports/shuttles/private yachts. Would it have Darth Mauled the Resistance’s budget to slap Rose’s cloaks on something with actual shields & engines? Or hook up their plucky speeder jockeys with something at least comparable to those Nu-Espo pricks’ Interceptor-knockoff rides?

As for FO follies, I’ve vented re: siege pizzas, ape-walkers, the Batshuttle(TM)(R)(C) & repainted stock TIEs with capacitor cuffs elsewhere, so ’nuff typed there. For all its edgelordian extrapolation from mid-90s PC Avenger renders, Kylo’s Silencer didn’t look too bad in motion, though its wing-hub missiles seem a bit overdesigned (again). Supremacy, for its part, was a decent Ominous Lump of Backdrop Machinery(R), though Executor still has it soundly whipped in the elegance department (and probably would’ve ended that chase with 2 hours of film to go).

Finally: I’ve mentioned this before, but what is up with no less than *three* separate B-wing design kitbashes, each more disastrous than prior?

StormCommando
2 years ago

Cannot wait for orthos! This is shaping up to be my favourite ship of yours, after the Assertor. Also, the surface is a lot more ‘greebly’ and complex than what I originally expected from the first WIP. I guess that comes with it being a frigate-scale ship and all. Your designs are getting more complex and detailed in general, and this one is testament to that.

Captain Horatio Skywalker
Captain Horatio Skywalker
2 years ago

you continue your impressive work and i am so glad for the opportunity to see it unfold…

countvertex
countvertex
2 years ago

Seen before on one or two of the other designs, but still I like the sensor domes being half recessed into the hull. Clearly offers better protection. I wonder what reasons the Empire could have to change this on later ships.
Maybe bad HoloNet connection…

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Would that depend on how the shield projects from the dome? I mean if it projects up off the top of the dome and then spreads out being recessed should have little effect on the strength of the shield right? Just theorizing here.
On the other hand I could totally see the sensor’s coverage being hampered somewhat by being recessed. I wonder if it would be possible to design such a thing so that you could raise or retract the dome as required. Raising it when greater sensor coverage is needed, lowering it for combat? That sort of thing.

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Ah, I understand, makes sense.

StormCommando
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Will there be a ventral dome for increased (360 degree) coverage?

roddy
roddy
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

I think the main reactor provides the actual shield bubble, the domes only correct for natural gaps in the poles of said field.

roddy
roddy
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Have to say it’s because the shield domes are the biggest target for enemy fighters. Priority for Imps is the need to swap them out at dry dock without sacrificing bridge integrity hence classic era ISDs went for protruding. This further avoids damaging the bridge should they short out. MonCal get by on partially hull-embedded blisters due to improved shield strength so they don’t worry about the above.

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago

So is that rear aperture a shuttle hangar or a waste disposal door like on the Imperial SDs? I love the level of details in these models.

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Ah, yeah I suppose it’s not really explicitly stated anywhere what that door on the ISDs is, is it? Still, makes good sense. Thanks for clarifying for me.

chris
chris
2 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

I always thought it was a shuttle hanger. A secondary hanger for the Captain and other senior officers to come and go without having to get in the way of normal flight operations.

Valoren
Valoren
2 years ago
Reply to  chris

Well, it’s apparently large enough for the Slave One to be docked in and fly out of it, so why not ?

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Valoren

I thought Slave 1 was just floating in the debris/waste, not actually docked with the ship. Then again if it was among the jettisoned debris maybe it was in that space before being jettisoned?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  RhysT

Seems likely Fett was somehow attached to one of the dumpster compartment’s walls, be it via tractor beam or some kinda magnetic clamp.

Steve Bannon
Steve Bannon
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

It seems more likely that those clumps of “trash” were the remains of GR-75 transports that the various destroyers had blasted and tractored in to analyze for possible intel scraps and unwiped databases. They seemed far too large, irregular, and mechanical to be actual trash, even for a ship as large as an Imperator.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Bannon

Plausible. Makes me wonder just what percentage of Rebel mobile assets actually escaped Echo Base, since there’s no way that ion cannon could cover *every* transport’s run to lightspeed. Easy answer’s “just enough to keep going,” but that could’ve been one damned thin margin.

Chris
Chris
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Well…that settles it…add the glowy thing representing a mag con field.

Steve Bannon
Steve Bannon
2 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

The role of Echo Base was definitely not to house the entire Alliance, which would have had billions of total personnel under arms and far more heavy equipment spread throughout the galaxy. The role of Echo Base was that of a strategic command hub for VIPs like Leia, Rieekan, and maybe Mon Mothma’s civilian cabinet. As long as the bigwigs made it out under cover from the ion cannon, the rest of the technical and combat personnel stationed at Hoth would be considered totally expendable.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Bannon

It’s still morbidly funny how often minimalism warps my mindset on such matters-especially when it’s clear that small fleet at ESB’s end was (wisely) nowhere near the Hoth system. I appreciate your latest infusion of sense.

Chris
Chris
2 years ago

I am starting to want to shipjack one of these and turn pirate.

RhysT
RhysT
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

It’d be a sweet ride wouldn’t it?