Scout/Courier WIP#1

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This is what I very affectionately call the WTF-Wing. I took the Nebulon Ranger concept from the old Jedi comics and concepted it out a LOT. The original had this super cool asymmetry but didn’t make any sense with regard to how the engines were set up only on one side away from all the mass (it should just spin in circles). Plus the scale was a bit ambiguous – is it a starfighter? freighter sized? So I took the general vibe of the design, swapped the wing side because why not, and scaled it at transport scale – it’s about the overall structural volume of an Assault Transport, but obviously hideously inefficiently distributed. I then adjusted the massing forms to make it look like it had thrust balance, and spent a lot of time figuring out how it would land in a cool way. Fly asymmetrical, land symmetrical.

I figured it could be military or civilian, but either way it would be a fast scout/courier/prospector/survey ship – modifiable and probably often heavily modified, but that circular dish seemed like a sensor so I went with that and added more sensors to fit. The “head” is the crew compartment, and there’s an engineering deck above and to starboard under the sensor elements, and the bottom bay is a cargo and maybe light vehicle storage area. If it were an RPG ship, room for a party of 6 very comfortably (I have a whole backstory for the interior layout now). It’ll spend a lot of time in space, so needs an airlock – there’s an extendable one aft to interface with ships and stations without landing. For scale the front-most center windows are about standing human height and the whole thing is ~33m long.

Power density could potentially be high (it’ll use >50% volume for power and propulsion on Assault Transport volume, which already had starfighter performance while probably using 25-30% volume for power systems). OK shields but nowhere near the same firepower – it’s not a ship designed to fight. Ultralight turbolasers – good against starfighters and transports, totally useless against capital ships. The design allows for some reasonably good firing arcs though. Compare against an ATR, which has 4 light turbolasers, 4 comparable ion, and a heavy warhead load.

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Lazar baruk
3 years ago

Great. A very unexpected choice. But dear to my heart – http://starwars.sethmes.com/2011/01/30/les-attaques-du-lazar-toujours/

Stargazer
Stargazer
3 years ago

Hmm, I actually like the ‘landing configuration’ version quite a bit. It would make a good base for an AWACS type shuttle design. The center circle would be like a radome on a modern day AWACS. Also, the slanted wings in that configuration could easily be conceived as a phased array sensor system, making it one of the only cases I can think of where a ‘wing’ structure could be justified on a space craft

Toddimus5
Toddimus5
3 years ago

Only Jedi would be — enlightened enough — to fly something that wild.

Valiran
Valiran
3 years ago
Reply to  Toddimus5

I’d imagine that it would be a royal pain to fly without the aid of the Force, but its highly unconventional layout would let you pull maneuvers that no one would expect or know how to react to, something a canny pilot would take full advantage of.

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago

I’ll confess to being no huge fan of extreme starship asymmetry, but way to render this thing capable of straight-line thrust & a plausible landing configuration.

Toddimus5
Toddimus5
3 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

Do you see the LAAT\i resemblance when it’s in lander mode?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Toddimus5

Vaguely.

DanielShenise
3 years ago

I like that stacked, over/under gun mount. Totally outside the box and really cool.

Ryan Ferguson
Ryan Ferguson
3 years ago

Hey fractal have you ever considered doing the Megador?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  Ryan Ferguson

That strikes me as way too much of an undertaking sans someone ponying up.

Daib
Daib
3 years ago
Reply to  gorkmalork

For all we know, Fractal has already done Megador. Both the Bellator and the Legator fit the available information.

Ryan Ferguson
Ryan Ferguson
3 years ago
Reply to  Daib

Actually the megador has 16 engines, which neither the bellator or the assertor or the legator have. The megador is a unique type of ssd that we have never seen before.

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
3 years ago
Reply to  Ryan Ferguson

16 ion engines, at least fifty-one hangar bays, 5-19km long…primary armament being 3 turbolaser batteries that has the firepower that eclipses the combined firepower of 5 ISD-IIs…. I am an absolute noob at the level of power calculations and it’s relation to volume, but with that many hangars and support infrastructure to support the fighters in that said hangars… The ship’s stats feels like quite a stretch without some changes. (In this regards, if someone could link me source materials of the calculations to get me started, presumably by Curtis Saxton, I’d greatly appreciate it)

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomFury

Edit: it appears that even if ISD-II were to use all its reactor output to weaponry (which won’t happen), five of them would still only make >4.64×10^25 W of power, which is still far less than the >7.73×10^26 W of the Executor-class, so its…possible to use the remainder for other subsystems…?

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Oh, I should also note that those aforementioned powerful turbolaser batteries are indicated to be specialized for long range, so perhaps it may be something along the lines of the Procurator-class, but far larger?

gorkmalork
gorkmalork
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomFury

I recall exactly one Legends scene where the Falcon lands on said battlewagon for an audience with Pellaeon, and said scene was kinda detail-light besides ‘big imposing-as-kriff ship’. If they’re long-range guns, I’d wager on fairly beefy single or dual mounts-perhaps something like the Allegiance’s 720-teraton centerline mains (or even heavier). Certainly wouldn’t preclude Megador boasting a full range of slightly-to-much-lighter guns as well. 10-13 km. Mandator descendant with slightly expanded fighter/transport capacity, perhaps?

Thomas He
Thomas He
3 years ago

Wow…what’s the mechanism that allows the big wing to swing down? Is it like a…giant magnet?

PhoenixKnight
PhoenixKnight
3 years ago
Reply to  Thomas He

Look closely at the pics third one up you see a hydraulic piston

countvertex
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

I like the assymetric flight configuration. But can the pilot also chose to swivel the wing to horizontal position in mid-flight – or even starboard position (for whatever reason)?

TheIcthala
TheIcthala
3 years ago
Reply to  countvertex

I suspect the sensor panel would get in the way of starboard position.

countvertex
3 years ago
Reply to  TheIcthala

It probably would. Could be changed at this early design stage, though.

Ryadra777
3 years ago

I can see why you call it the WTF wing but nonetheless it is nice to see a scout ship be made.
Although it did make me think 2 things that could happen.
1. Will you still call it the Nebulon Ranger or a different name?
2. If the Galactic Empire use it as a Scout ship would that make the TIE Scout obsolete or not?

JFKrol2
JFKrol2
3 years ago
Reply to  Ryadra777

I doubt if that ship has hyperdrive and sensor equipment that could match TIE Scout as it was designed over 5000 years before TIE series

Shaun
Shaun
3 years ago
Reply to  Ryadra777

1. It’s the Yandroth Bard… Or maybe the Attuma Paladin… Or maybe keep the Ranger. The Attuma Ranger has a nice ring to it…
2. No. A) The Imperials don’t necessarily have to use everything that Ansel creates; and B) if they did, it’s an entirely different ship than a TIE/sc with a completely different scouting role than what the TIE would play.

Shaun
Shaun
3 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

Also, upvotes to anyone who gets the references…

Shaun
Shaun
3 years ago

YES!!!
[That’s all. Just YES!!!]

countvertex
3 years ago

Warning! Don’t try to figure out how it transforms from flying to landing configuration – it will give you a bad headache!

countvertex
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Yep, I see it now – thanks for the Aspirin!

Chris
Chris
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

Sounds like a lot of moving parts to break and cause issues for the owner.

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
3 years ago
Reply to  Fractalsponge

If it isn’t too much to ask…animation of its transformation when done?

Daib
Daib
3 years ago

Was this a commissioned piece?

Taghmata Omnissiah
Taghmata Omnissiah
3 years ago

Praise the Omnissiah! The long forgotten tech is back in our hands!

PhantomFury
PhantomFury
3 years ago

Ooh, I have always liked that odd ball ship from the Old Republic (even if I can’t always list it when ask for favorites) so I’m excited at this interpretation! What Era will this ship reside in?