empire looking bridge which is closer to engines with stronger weapons
venator looking bridge which is closer to engines with hangar same as on venator in front of bridge.
Enterprise65
3 months ago
Fab render..though this ship could do with some main guns & a bunch of anti-fighter guns at the rear. Would be great if there were some anti-fighter guns on that big exposed superstructure too.
Btw, would be interesting to see Ansel’s version of the Mandalorian Aggressor class star destroyer. One of the good versions I’ve seen of it are at https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VdmeZ8
Last edited 3 months ago by Enterprise65
Maphisto86
3 months ago
The Secutor-class seems to be a late Clone Wars or early Imperial era ship judging by the resemblance of the conning towers to the Venator-class. Has Ansel Hsiao ever mentioned when what time he imagined the Secutor-class was designed and introduced?
Secutor is a late clone wars design but the first Secutors weren’t ready/used until after the clone wars.
I don’t think it states the exact date but I know it was after the clone wars but early enough that the rim was riddled with CIS holdouts because at least one sector fought a providence Class Destroyer.
Hope that helps.
FollowTheBlu
3 months ago
Does anybody know the exact armament of this ship? I am very curious to see how this redux has changed from the original
Comparing that to the armament of the original Secutor, it seems like about half the armament has been shedded when redux-ed, does anybody have any idea why this is?
Original:
24 quad heavy turbolaser barbettes
6 DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolaser Turrets
3 twin heavy ion cannon turrets
6 quad medium turbolaser turrets
Indeterminate number of point defence turrets
So yeah this one would’ve lost some quad turbolaser turrets but why would it need them? It’s role is a dedicated fleet carrier, this bad boy is protected on all sides by ISDs, Allegiance Battlecruisers and Victory frigates.
Don’t know probably just wanted to refine the design.
I see it as this Secutor being the original clone wars design and the other one being an imperial refit.
Also on the note of firepower I wouldn’t say it’s a huge downgrade. The DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolaser rivaled the main Guns of the imperial 1. On top of being able to track starfighters effectively the DBY-827 was able to fire Flak shots to deal with starfighters and normally fired staggered shots at capital ships which is a good thing.
So DBY-827s make perfect sense for the Secutor. It has 30 heavy Dual turbolasers with the same firepower of the imperial 1s main Guns that can effectively engage capital ships and starfighters both.
Also the original Secutor fractal made also had 48 Missile Launchers they are in the trench in bank I think near the back so they are kind of hard to see if you aren’t looking.
Phoenix
3 months ago
Beautiful ship especially that red livery.
Jdpeterson34
3 months ago
Perfection. It’s the perfect replacement for the Venator-class. Too bad the Empire was too shortsighted to see the value in a massive carrier that can both take a punch and dish one out.
I mean technically there’s the Bellator. It’s pretty much as close as it gets to jack of all trades command ship. It’s also officially the Empire’s sexiest SSD, can’t get enough of that rear. 🥵 https://fractalsponge.net/?p=4390
Well, the Empire was so bad at countering the Rebel’s hit-and-run tactics that Palpatine had to set up his trap at Endor. Had the Imperial Fleet invested in battle carriers instead of slow dreadnoughts, the Rebel scum would have been eradicated within weeks after Yavin…
The Empire was so good at countering the hit-and-run tactics that Rebels had to bank it all on DSII never becoming operational. Imo, the battle owns its existance more to His Sith Majesty’s desire for a new student rather than any actual military necessity. There’s no indication Palpatine HAD to use the station as bait.
Also, you have to consider that ships dont spawn in a day. Imperial Naval Roster is a tail end of procurement programs launched during or immiately after the Clone Wars (which, by the way, what those images of Secutor in red stripes are hinting at). Now obviously there would be initiatives for a more counter-insurgency centered force, but it takes time and. more importantly, space. Not every fleet and station will receive the bespoke anti-reb mix at the same time and the cool part about attacking somebody is that you get to bick who, where and when.
Also-also, in this context, when opposition has like double digits in fighters, the carrying potential of a Secutor is completely wasted. You’ll be paying more for a job ISD already can do.
The Empire was never able to truly counter the Rebel’s tactics. The Imperial High Command only knew of one way to deal with their enemy; overwhelm with unrelenting force. Very difficult to do so with small and fast starfighters.
The Rebels were desperate to destroy the DSII because it proved an existential threat as it could easily steamroll into the heavily-fortified Mon Cala system AND they knew Palpatine would be there. Two birds one stone. I’m not entirely sure if they would dedicate that much of their Fleet at Endor to destroy just the Death Star. Palpatine as bait was essential.
I don’t understand your point about the Empire being unable to spawn ships in a day. Yes the Imperial High Command was rigid. Design plans for effective ships were scrapped because they weren’t inline with the Tarkin Doctrine, but the Empire has shown itself able to adopt a more flexible strategy when given the necessary political will.
For example Zaarin and Thrawn were both responsible for the development of the 1st and 2nd best starfighters, in a relatively short time. The Empire were able to create +100 Dreadnought with a few years of Yavin. In fact, most of the ships in the Imperial navy were commissioned well after the Battle of Yavin, with all the ISD replaced by the ISDII.
The ISD is effectively at what it does; power projection. However, the Secutor is faster, has more fighter complement and can dish out significant punishment upon Rebel capital ships. It would be extremely effective at hunting down the scattered Rebel scum. While the official description says a Secutor can carry 144 fighters (a bullshit number no matter how you look at it) even Rogue Squadron with a dozen pilots as skilled as Luke and Wedge would struggle against a literal wave of +300 TIE fighters.
Last things first, Secutor being faster is not starfigter fast, it having more firepower is cool, but ISD already has comfortable overmatch against MC ships in 1,2km size bracket. As for fighters, bring Ton-Falk or something.
Now as for shipbuilding, I’ll just say no. 1000 years of peacetime, artificially slow buildup, even with wartime losses, would dominate that short spike of TCW and that spike would represent like 45% or so of the galactic gdp thrown at the problem against whatever peacetime program Imperial State undertakes. That said, new constriction would be overrepresented in working end squadrons while old stuff would populate reserve or garrison fleets.
Also, those dreadnougth are needed too. Major interstellar state deciding to go with the Rebs will make exponentialy more ruckus that whatever space Vietcong was up to.
As for rebel tactics, its all cool and well but it leads nowhere. It doesnt scale. Any attempt at growing roots will be dealt with by the Empire, because you can never hope to match it directly which what will have to happen if you are to stand your ground. And there is nothing to say that hide and seek can played reliably. TESB is an example of exactly that.
Palpatine expressed interest in Luke in TESB already, one would imagine the interest is real.
Also, as a little tangent, I am strictly opposite to the idea that Empire was in any real danger from the forces rebels had at their disposal. Just from the narrative point of view.
Amen to that, short of the Mon Cal Viscount which wasn’t available until after the Civil War the Rebellion had nothing short of its hero roster that could beat the Empire and even then logically that hero roster wouldn’t have been enough but for the purposes of Lucas’s movies it sufficed.
As for the Secutor having no real necessity to the Empire as a standard carrier due to the existence of ISDs and Ton Falk I’d have to agree. I’d also add that Venators still existed and that production of them could easily be scaled up to match the needs of the Empire.
That said, the Secutor does have a place in a flagship role. Coming in at 200,000,000 credits, the Secutor is significantly cheaper than the 700,000,000 credit Praetor class which was used by smaller Imperial forces under the command of local governors as a flagship for patrol missions. In fact, they’re only 50,000,000 credits more than an ISD II and pack significantly more firepower than an ISD II. So because of that and their high adaptability thanks to their large hanger space they make an excellent command ship for local Imperial governors. They effectively kill two birds with one stone by providing that large fighter complement and heavier firepower to be expected of a flagship at a price the third of a Praetor.
Well, Im opposed narratively to the rebels being genuine danger because specificaly military defeat rapidly becomes a story about “Might makes right. Good always defeats evil. Whoever wins is always good”. Like, imagine if Luke just caved Palp’s head into the throne. It’s not what it’s supposed to be about. In-universe justifications are fun to discuss but they fundamentaly serve to reinforce that.
As for price points, I dont use them, because those numbers dont really mesh with each-other or implications for the world around them. There’s just no way the ship with powergeneration 2,2 times that of the ISD costs a third more. Same with Praetor. That thing is so much bigger its not even funny. Like, at this point Secutor’s cost is like spare change.
And I think you have it backwards about their usage in patrols. It’s just not a work that demands something like that. Like, ISD is more than enough for this, too much even, hence Gladiators, Vindicators, Nebulons and the like. ISD’s job is to reliably win against anything out of the ordinary for those vessels, and that is not the case in most situations with the Alliance. Secutor would just be doing more of the same. You’ll be paying more for something you could already perform adequately.
There’s also a factor that the ship is envisioned as TCW-period design. An uber-Venator. Which means that it was meant to function as part of the larger force in a total war. (There should be a proper explanation about capability mix and budget constraints here, I’ll gather my thoughts and expand on that in a later post. Cant cohere one atm).
Also, that means that you criticize Imperial Admiralty for being too rigid while arguing that they should’ve stuck with their original doctrine. =P
The Empire itself was never in real danger from the Rebel Fleet. That doesn’t mean that they were able to effectively counter Rebel hit-and-run tactics.
What do you mean the Rebel tactics lead nowhere? It was a war of attrition. It was extremely effective at draining the Imperial warmachine and protecting several hyperspace lanes from anything but a determined Imperial assault (e.g. Mon Cala).
Also the Secutor is the best of both an ISDII and a Ton-Falk, being superior in terms of firepower, shields, troop & starfighter complement.
Also the Dreadnoughts weren’t needed. The Tarkin Doctrine was ridiculously ineffective, no matter how much Executors or Death Stars you have.
So, the idea is to build ships that cost significantly more (i.e. there will be less of them, and they will be able to cover less space) to being a better ISD in a situation you posit the ISD is unsuitable, did I get that right? Because being faster, having more firepower and carrying capacity is irrelevant if the the rebels decline combat to a combat-ready ISD as it is.
I’m not interested in wading in this morasse – if they don’t understand how military procurement and defense works now, they aren’t going to start doing so because I yell at them. Regardless, since you’re reasonably funny and seem to have a decent understanding of the setting, come join the Fractalsponge Discord (link’s on this website). You’ll find more… intellectual conversation available there, and by that I mean a source of conversation which actually comes to the table with something other than regurgitated SW Youtuber points from clickbait videos. If you aren’t already – if you are, ping me
There are three issues with the Empire’s strategy that led to the Emperor’s downfall.
1. Crappy starfighters. They chose the Tarkin Doctrine and the Death Star over Thrawn’s TIE Defender project. Consequently, X-Wings and A-Wings shredded TIE Fighters. In order to counter Rebel starfighters, the Empire needed way more TIE Fighters, which leads me to point 2…
2. Not enough TIE Fighters. This is where the Secutor comes in to save the day. According to Fractal, the Secutor carries at least 8 wings of TIE Fighters. 1 wing = 6 squadrons, and 1 squadron = 12 fighters. That means a Secutor carries at least 576 TIE Fighters, maybe even 720 (10 wings).
3. Not enough ships. Mon Mothma said in Episode 6 that the Empire was spread thin across the Galaxy and only had one fleet available to hunt the Rebels. They just didn’t have enough ships because they prioritized ISDs over cheaper ships, like the Victory, Gladiator, Vindicator, etc. Admittedly, the Secutor doesn’t solve this issue, since it’s expensive (200 million credits vs ISD’s 150 million credits), but starfighters can be in many place at once, whereas an ISD cannot. Also, it seems like ISDs operated in pairs when patrolling planets based on Rogue One and the original Trilogy. That’s 300 million credits per patrol. A Secutor could theoretically patrol by itself, since it not only carried enough fighters to defend itself from Rebel snub fighters and enough turbolaser to protect itself from Rebel capital ships, but it also carried a ground complement larger than an ISD (14,000 stormtroopers vs 9,700 stormtroopers). Having only one Secutor patrolling each planet instead of two ISDs frees up a lot of resources. These freed-up resources would then be available at the Battle of Endor. These freed-up resources could’ve also been Secutors, which would’ve matched up against the Rebel fleet much better.
I think Secutors would’ve been a much better frontline ship for the Empire than the ISD.
As for “shredded” TIE fighters, Idk, the movie I watched, obscure fan-fiction called “A New Hope” has exacly 2 X-wings and 1 Y-wing making it through the battle of Yavin. Against TIEs in rough numerical parity or even disadvantage.
As for “not enough starfighters”. Rebels frequently engage having low to mid double-digit fighter packages.
As for third point. This is not how it works. The Empire needs coverage of its territories. There’s so much territory so there’s demand for so much hulls. The Empire also wants a certain capability from its units, comfortable overmatch against most threats encountered, so it procures smallest possible platform that meets expected goals: superb direct combatant, ok for the purposes it’s required fighter group, and a decently mixed surface package for some fast reaction intervention. There being more Secutors gives you nothing because there is still so much places for them to be.
And can I reiterate that ROTJ was REBELLION’s desperate gambit, not Empire’s, and that Emperor was defeated in the throne room, against Luke who he HIMSELF made efforts to meet. You can go soviet level of military spending and enforce 24/7 work shifts at Kuat, that remains unchainged.
Johnny
3 months ago
Also, would it be reasonable to believe that the ventral hangers span the entire rear 2/3rds of the ship? I’m picturing absolutely massive hangers and what we see from the outside is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.
Thanks. Pretty wild there’s so many, especially on the rear. Definitely fits the Secutor’s support role though as it’d be able to remain safely protected by ISDs while unleashing hell with torps and fighters
They’re just random greebles – Fractal’s floated the idea of them potentially being elements for radiators, but they’re currently just there to look pretty. Dunno where calling them missile launchers came from – they don’t even have any openings.
To be fair there were actually 48 concussion missile launchers on fractals old secutor model but for whatever reason he removed them from this redux one.
But yeah there aren’t any on this one be cool if there were though.
There should be two more versions of Secutor:
Fab render..though this ship could do with some main guns & a bunch of anti-fighter guns at the rear. Would be great if there were some anti-fighter guns on that big exposed superstructure too.
Btw, would be interesting to see Ansel’s version of the Mandalorian Aggressor class star destroyer. One of the good versions I’ve seen of it are at https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VdmeZ8
The Secutor-class seems to be a late Clone Wars or early Imperial era ship judging by the resemblance of the conning towers to the Venator-class. Has Ansel Hsiao ever mentioned when what time he imagined the Secutor-class was designed and introduced?
Secutor is a late clone wars design but the first Secutors weren’t ready/used until after the clone wars.
I don’t think it states the exact date but I know it was after the clone wars but early enough that the rim was riddled with CIS holdouts because at least one sector fought a providence Class Destroyer.
Hope that helps.
Does anybody know the exact armament of this ship? I am very curious to see how this redux has changed from the original
According to what I’ve counted it has the following.
30 DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolaser Turrets ( main guns of the venator )
11 Quad Turbolaser Turrets
3 Twin Battleship Ion Cannons
224 Twin Point Defense Laser Cannons
Wow thank you, much appreciated
Comparing that to the armament of the original Secutor, it seems like about half the armament has been shedded when redux-ed, does anybody have any idea why this is?
Original:
24 quad heavy turbolaser barbettes
6 DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolaser Turrets
3 twin heavy ion cannon turrets
6 quad medium turbolaser turrets
Indeterminate number of point defence turrets
So yeah this one would’ve lost some quad turbolaser turrets but why would it need them? It’s role is a dedicated fleet carrier, this bad boy is protected on all sides by ISDs, Allegiance Battlecruisers and Victory frigates.
Don’t know probably just wanted to refine the design.
I see it as this Secutor being the original clone wars design and the other one being an imperial refit.
Also on the note of firepower I wouldn’t say it’s a huge downgrade. The DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolaser rivaled the main Guns of the imperial 1. On top of being able to track starfighters effectively the DBY-827 was able to fire Flak shots to deal with starfighters and normally fired staggered shots at capital ships which is a good thing.
So DBY-827s make perfect sense for the Secutor. It has 30 heavy Dual turbolasers with the same firepower of the imperial 1s main Guns that can effectively engage capital ships and starfighters both.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Also the original Secutor fractal made also had 48 Missile Launchers they are in the trench in bank I think near the back so they are kind of hard to see if you aren’t looking.
Beautiful ship especially that red livery.
Perfection. It’s the perfect replacement for the Venator-class. Too bad the Empire was too shortsighted to see the value in a massive carrier that can both take a punch and dish one out.
I mean technically there’s the Bellator. It’s pretty much as close as it gets to jack of all trades command ship. It’s also officially the Empire’s sexiest SSD, can’t get enough of that rear. 🥵
https://fractalsponge.net/?p=4390
Said it once and will say it again… Fractal should mark his works as NSFW
How does another carrier type preclude Palpatine being thrown down the shaft and subsequent free-for-all among the Imperial leadership?
Well, the Empire was so bad at countering the Rebel’s hit-and-run tactics that Palpatine had to set up his trap at Endor. Had the Imperial Fleet invested in battle carriers instead of slow dreadnoughts, the Rebel scum would have been eradicated within weeks after Yavin…
The Empire was so good at countering the hit-and-run tactics that Rebels had to bank it all on DSII never becoming operational. Imo, the battle owns its existance more to His Sith Majesty’s desire for a new student rather than any actual military necessity. There’s no indication Palpatine HAD to use the station as bait.
Also, you have to consider that ships dont spawn in a day. Imperial Naval Roster is a tail end of procurement programs launched during or immiately after the Clone Wars (which, by the way, what those images of Secutor in red stripes are hinting at). Now obviously there would be initiatives for a more counter-insurgency centered force, but it takes time and. more importantly, space. Not every fleet and station will receive the bespoke anti-reb mix at the same time and the cool part about attacking somebody is that you get to bick who, where and when.
Also-also, in this context, when opposition has like double digits in fighters, the carrying potential of a Secutor is completely wasted. You’ll be paying more for a job ISD already can do.
The Empire was never able to truly counter the Rebel’s tactics. The Imperial High Command only knew of one way to deal with their enemy; overwhelm with unrelenting force. Very difficult to do so with small and fast starfighters.
The Rebels were desperate to destroy the DSII because it proved an existential threat as it could easily steamroll into the heavily-fortified Mon Cala system AND they knew Palpatine would be there. Two birds one stone. I’m not entirely sure if they would dedicate that much of their Fleet at Endor to destroy just the Death Star. Palpatine as bait was essential.
I don’t understand your point about the Empire being unable to spawn ships in a day. Yes the Imperial High Command was rigid. Design plans for effective ships were scrapped because they weren’t inline with the Tarkin Doctrine, but the Empire has shown itself able to adopt a more flexible strategy when given the necessary political will.
For example Zaarin and Thrawn were both responsible for the development of the 1st and 2nd best starfighters, in a relatively short time. The Empire were able to create +100 Dreadnought with a few years of Yavin. In fact, most of the ships in the Imperial navy were commissioned well after the Battle of Yavin, with all the ISD replaced by the ISDII.
The ISD is effectively at what it does; power projection. However, the Secutor is faster, has more fighter complement and can dish out significant punishment upon Rebel capital ships. It would be extremely effective at hunting down the scattered Rebel scum. While the official description says a Secutor can carry 144 fighters (a bullshit number no matter how you look at it) even Rogue Squadron with a dozen pilots as skilled as Luke and Wedge would struggle against a literal wave of +300 TIE fighters.
Last things first, Secutor being faster is not starfigter fast, it having more firepower is cool, but ISD already has comfortable overmatch against MC ships in 1,2km size bracket. As for fighters, bring Ton-Falk or something.
Now as for shipbuilding, I’ll just say no. 1000 years of peacetime, artificially slow buildup, even with wartime losses, would dominate that short spike of TCW and that spike would represent like 45% or so of the galactic gdp thrown at the problem against whatever peacetime program Imperial State undertakes. That said, new constriction would be overrepresented in working end squadrons while old stuff would populate reserve or garrison fleets.
Also, those dreadnougth are needed too. Major interstellar state deciding to go with the Rebs will make exponentialy more ruckus that whatever space Vietcong was up to.
As for rebel tactics, its all cool and well but it leads nowhere. It doesnt scale. Any attempt at growing roots will be dealt with by the Empire, because you can never hope to match it directly which what will have to happen if you are to stand your ground. And there is nothing to say that hide and seek can played reliably. TESB is an example of exactly that.
Palpatine expressed interest in Luke in TESB already, one would imagine the interest is real.
Also, as a little tangent, I am strictly opposite to the idea that Empire was in any real danger from the forces rebels had at their disposal. Just from the narrative point of view.
Amen to that, short of the Mon Cal Viscount which wasn’t available until after the Civil War the Rebellion had nothing short of its hero roster that could beat the Empire and even then logically that hero roster wouldn’t have been enough but for the purposes of Lucas’s movies it sufficed.
As for the Secutor having no real necessity to the Empire as a standard carrier due to the existence of ISDs and Ton Falk I’d have to agree. I’d also add that Venators still existed and that production of them could easily be scaled up to match the needs of the Empire.
That said, the Secutor does have a place in a flagship role. Coming in at 200,000,000 credits, the Secutor is significantly cheaper than the 700,000,000 credit Praetor class which was used by smaller Imperial forces under the command of local governors as a flagship for patrol missions. In fact, they’re only 50,000,000 credits more than an ISD II and pack significantly more firepower than an ISD II. So because of that and their high adaptability thanks to their large hanger space they make an excellent command ship for local Imperial governors. They effectively kill two birds with one stone by providing that large fighter complement and heavier firepower to be expected of a flagship at a price the third of a Praetor.
Well, Im opposed narratively to the rebels being genuine danger because specificaly military defeat rapidly becomes a story about “Might makes right. Good always defeats evil. Whoever wins is always good”. Like, imagine if Luke just caved Palp’s head into the throne. It’s not what it’s supposed to be about. In-universe justifications are fun to discuss but they fundamentaly serve to reinforce that.
As for price points, I dont use them, because those numbers dont really mesh with each-other or implications for the world around them. There’s just no way the ship with powergeneration 2,2 times that of the ISD costs a third more. Same with Praetor. That thing is so much bigger its not even funny. Like, at this point Secutor’s cost is like spare change.
And I think you have it backwards about their usage in patrols. It’s just not a work that demands something like that. Like, ISD is more than enough for this, too much even, hence Gladiators, Vindicators, Nebulons and the like. ISD’s job is to reliably win against anything out of the ordinary for those vessels, and that is not the case in most situations with the Alliance. Secutor would just be doing more of the same. You’ll be paying more for something you could already perform adequately.
There’s also a factor that the ship is envisioned as TCW-period design. An uber-Venator. Which means that it was meant to function as part of the larger force in a total war. (There should be a proper explanation about capability mix and budget constraints here, I’ll gather my thoughts and expand on that in a later post. Cant cohere one atm).
Also, that means that you criticize Imperial Admiralty for being too rigid while arguing that they should’ve stuck with their original doctrine. =P
So, ummm… Sorry for that remark at the end, it wasnt meant for you.
The Empire itself was never in real danger from the Rebel Fleet. That doesn’t mean that they were able to effectively counter Rebel hit-and-run tactics.
What do you mean the Rebel tactics lead nowhere? It was a war of attrition. It was extremely effective at draining the Imperial warmachine and protecting several hyperspace lanes from anything but a determined Imperial assault (e.g. Mon Cala).
Also the Secutor is the best of both an ISDII and a Ton-Falk, being superior in terms of firepower, shields, troop & starfighter complement.
Also the Dreadnoughts weren’t needed. The Tarkin Doctrine was ridiculously ineffective, no matter how much Executors or Death Stars you have.
So, the idea is to build ships that cost significantly more (i.e. there will be less of them, and they will be able to cover less space) to being a better ISD in a situation you posit the ISD is unsuitable, did I get that right? Because being faster, having more firepower and carrying capacity is irrelevant if the the rebels decline combat to a combat-ready ISD as it is.
I’m not interested in wading in this morasse – if they don’t understand how military procurement and defense works now, they aren’t going to start doing so because I yell at them. Regardless, since you’re reasonably funny and seem to have a decent understanding of the setting, come join the Fractalsponge Discord (link’s on this website). You’ll find more… intellectual conversation available there, and by that I mean a source of conversation which actually comes to the table with something other than regurgitated SW Youtuber points from clickbait videos. If you aren’t already – if you are, ping me
There are three issues with the Empire’s strategy that led to the Emperor’s downfall.
1. Crappy starfighters. They chose the Tarkin Doctrine and the Death Star over Thrawn’s TIE Defender project. Consequently, X-Wings and A-Wings shredded TIE Fighters. In order to counter Rebel starfighters, the Empire needed way more TIE Fighters, which leads me to point 2…
2. Not enough TIE Fighters. This is where the Secutor comes in to save the day. According to Fractal, the Secutor carries at least 8 wings of TIE Fighters. 1 wing = 6 squadrons, and 1 squadron = 12 fighters. That means a Secutor carries at least 576 TIE Fighters, maybe even 720 (10 wings).
3. Not enough ships. Mon Mothma said in Episode 6 that the Empire was spread thin across the Galaxy and only had one fleet available to hunt the Rebels. They just didn’t have enough ships because they prioritized ISDs over cheaper ships, like the Victory, Gladiator, Vindicator, etc. Admittedly, the Secutor doesn’t solve this issue, since it’s expensive (200 million credits vs ISD’s 150 million credits), but starfighters can be in many place at once, whereas an ISD cannot. Also, it seems like ISDs operated in pairs when patrolling planets based on Rogue One and the original Trilogy. That’s 300 million credits per patrol. A Secutor could theoretically patrol by itself, since it not only carried enough fighters to defend itself from Rebel snub fighters and enough turbolaser to protect itself from Rebel capital ships, but it also carried a ground complement larger than an ISD (14,000 stormtroopers vs 9,700 stormtroopers). Having only one Secutor patrolling each planet instead of two ISDs frees up a lot of resources. These freed-up resources would then be available at the Battle of Endor. These freed-up resources could’ve also been Secutors, which would’ve matched up against the Rebel fleet much better.
I think Secutors would’ve been a much better frontline ship for the Empire than the ISD.
As for “shredded” TIE fighters, Idk, the movie I watched, obscure fan-fiction called “A New Hope” has exacly 2 X-wings and 1 Y-wing making it through the battle of Yavin. Against TIEs in rough numerical parity or even disadvantage.
As for “not enough starfighters”. Rebels frequently engage having low to mid double-digit fighter packages.
As for third point. This is not how it works. The Empire needs coverage of its territories. There’s so much territory so there’s demand for so much hulls. The Empire also wants a certain capability from its units, comfortable overmatch against most threats encountered, so it procures smallest possible platform that meets expected goals: superb direct combatant, ok for the purposes it’s required fighter group, and a decently mixed surface package for some fast reaction intervention. There being more Secutors gives you nothing because there is still so much places for them to be.
And can I reiterate that ROTJ was REBELLION’s desperate gambit, not Empire’s, and that Emperor was defeated in the throne room, against Luke who he HIMSELF made efforts to meet. You can go soviet level of military spending and enforce 24/7 work shifts at Kuat, that remains unchainged.
Also, would it be reasonable to believe that the ventral hangers span the entire rear 2/3rds of the ship? I’m picturing absolutely massive hangers and what we see from the outside is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak.
What exactly are these?
Torpedo and middle launchers
Thanks. Pretty wild there’s so many, especially on the rear. Definitely fits the Secutor’s support role though as it’d be able to remain safely protected by ISDs while unleashing hell with torps and fighters
They’re just random greebles – Fractal’s floated the idea of them potentially being elements for radiators, but they’re currently just there to look pretty. Dunno where calling them missile launchers came from – they don’t even have any openings.
To be fair there were actually 48 concussion missile launchers on fractals old secutor model but for whatever reason he removed them from this redux one.
But yeah there aren’t any on this one be cool if there were though.
Love the fleet pictures
Amazing. Just amazing.