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  1. Sephiroth0812

    So, just that I get the context right:
    This ship is the very first Battlecruiser mentioned for the Post-Ruusan Republic in the Legends-lore?
    The predecessor of the Praetor Mk I-class which had such a shitty hyperdrive it was only effective for defensive operations during the Clone Wars?

  2. Valoren

    so, just comparing the hull and the bridge tower, I would say a size around 3,5 km, with 37 heavy turbolasers batteries and 6 heavy ion batteries as its main armament.

  3. Tony

    I don’t know how you get these angles in your models, i would so love to see a from start to finish video by you.

  4. Anonymous

    So in the hanger there are 8 medium hanger bays in which each bay carry a full wing of 72 light fighters like TIE Fighters, Interceptors, Hunters and Avengers or a smaller wing of heavy fighters like Bombers, Defenders, Manglers and Starwings which I guess is half the light fighter wing of 36 heavy fighter wing or less like a either 1/3 or 1/4. Add them all up together and that make the Procurator carried up to 8 wings of light or heavy fighters=576 light fighters or 288 heavy fighters if half or 192 heavy fighters if 1/3 or 144 heavy fighters if 1/4.

    • Fractalsponge

      Yes. At overload you could cram even more in and cycle onto the launch rack system, but you’d lose maintenance space.

      • Anonymous

        Right and Fractal am I right that a wing of heavy fighters is only half (36 fighters) of the wing of light fighters (72 fighters) or is it less like 1/3 (24 fighters)?

        • RedBird

          Typically a wing is 72 fighters/bombers no matter the type;
          36 fighters/bombers is called a group, with 2 groups in a wing.
          12 fighters/bombers in a squadron, with 3 squadrons to a group, 6 to a wing.
          And if I’m recalling correctly on this one, 2 fighters/bombers is called a flight with 6 flights to a squadron. 😉

          • Fractalsponge

            Group is the higher organization in Commonwealth usage, multiple wings each of multiple squadrons. Sub-squadron organization can be by different numbers.

        • Fractalsponge

          I don’t know – you think I have an OOB for everything?

          Usually for heavier craft the numbers drop. So for something like Skiprays or Assault Transports a squadron might be much smaller than 12. I don’t think the difference between Scimitar/Defender and something like /ln is big enough to affect squadron numbers usually, but that’s just an opinion.

          • gorkmalork

            Scimitar might have enough lateral footprint for space on light frigates & smaller to be a concern…Defender seems like less of an issue if you can fit /ln hexagon wings. Slightly tricker to work rack arms around one, though.

          • Anonymous

            Anyway back to the hangers so since the Procurator can carry 8 wings which means it carry more than the Compellor star cruiser yet is also carry heavier weapons like the quad 240 TT caliber HTLs and Ion Cannons. so my guess is that the Procurator is for fleet work with the Compellor being for multi-role plus the Compellor does have more different types of hangers than the Procurator like this one on the right which I’m not sure what is it for: http://fractalsponge.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/carrier11_3.jpg

  5. Anonymous

    TEGTW page 167 has Procurator Legends length:

    “Bristling with weapons, the twenty-five-hundred-meter Procurator was the template for a series of ever-larger KDY battleships, nominally built to protect Kuat sector but really aimed at attracting contracts from wealthy Core planets, sectors, and powerful mercantile fleets. By the time of the Clone Wars, dozens of battlecruisers defended Core and Colonies sectors. The Procurator-class Star Battlecruiser was refined several times before being supplanted by a four-thousand-meter descendant, the Praetor class, though the Ruusan Reformations limited both classes’ hyperdrive capabilities and armament.”

    • Fractalsponge

      Huh, oh well – won’t be the first time I’ve disagreed with a number in TEGTW. Call it Procurator II.

      • Anonymous

        Considering that nearly 200 years go by between the introduction of the Procurator and its “supplanting” by the Praetor, it makes sense that the “refinements” would include changes. Like the sensor domes and tractor beam targeting array – these ones match the ISD’s, so this being a very late version introduced just before production was discontinued, works.

        Interestingly, Rogue One shows ISD-I domes that match the original ANH movie ISD’s domes – the two spheres on the bridge module are made up not of triangles, but other shapes (hexagons and pentagons?) and, even in extreme close up, there’s no “vanes” on top of the domes.

        Perhaps ISD-II style domes (vanes, sphere made up of triangular panels) should be a post-Clone Wars innovation?

      • gorkmalork

        @Fractal
        Works for me. Supposes that would make those TaggeCo ships with the nifty quad sensor-dome array some sort of entirely unrelated (light?) cruiser class.

        @Anon
        Good eye. SW tech may not have the progression curve of 20th/21st-century Terra, but nigh-plural centuries leave plenty of room for updates & tweaks.

        • Anonymous

          The superstructure terraces on Fractal’s Vicstar look like they’re based loosely on the Tagge ship (it isn’t just Tagge’s though – Captain Wermis’s ship (Wermis being the Imperial Captain who’s chauffeuring Vader around), and Crimson Jack’s, all have some commonalities, depending on the image. And they tend to have the same “engine nozzles divided into 4 quarters” design feature that we see here.

          The term “Star Destroyer-class battlecruiser” was often used in those comics.

          I’d probably treat them all as related.

          • gorkmalork

            Ah, comic-spinoff terminology. The three examples you mention seem likely to be variants of the same mid/ late Clone Wars class. now it’s just putting one -tor name or another to that.

  6. Grand Admiral 517

    Oh Procurator-class! I like it! Although I don’t believe it would have been that heavily armed

  7. Norsehound

    I love everything about this. From the rear-deck ‘ears’ to the ISD-I derived bridge to the raised deck and antiquated engines.

    Fractal, if you’re bored, could you whip up some contemporaries? I would like to see more ships of this vintage.

  8. Mark

    HOW DID THEY NOT GET YOU TO DO MOVIE DESIGNS!?!?!

    This thing is just wonderful! Magnitudes better than the crap they put out for the new trilogy!

  9. Yvan Ung

    In Legends, the Procurators were supposed to be 2.5km long; does the model actually seem to match the description given in Legends?

    • Fractalsponge

      You know, everyone seems to have some knowledge of Procurator in the EU that I apparently don’t have and have never seen.

      • gorkmalork

        Checked the ‘pedia, and its two sources are apparently the AOTC ICS & EGTW, with that dimension stat lifted from the former. Seems a little odd for even an older KDY battlecruiser to pack less surface area than a contemporary (albeit only nominally) ‘civilian’ company’s armed freighters (by which I mean Lucrehulks, natch). Especially given the Empire at War mod render’s distinctly non-dagger shape; I’m wondering how many peeps just lifted their lore from that game’s ship-description textbox.

        • Fractalsponge

          Well it being in ICS is manifestly false, and I have not found any indication in EGTW. I have both books.

          Low surface area’s good for a warship.

          • gorkmalork

            Might be some game and/or mod’s stats getting cited as general lore, then…in which case I’d much rather roll with the Procurator scale those Impstar comparison shots indicate. And quite right about low *proportional* surface area-perhaps I should’ve (very subjectively) phrased it as “weird an SW battlecruiser’s not that much bigger than a destroyer”. Yes, I remember length alone means bupkus too.

  10. spikedpsycho

    Nice that Procurator class ships finally included. Honestly I think the ship is too chunky, stripped of it’s star destroyer sleekness.

  11. gorkmalork

    Abrupt Legends realization: between this beast, Fractal’s Victory & Dreadnaught-class renders, and that in-progress Acclamator combat variant, one could have the makings of a decent Corporate Sector Authority ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corporate_Sector_Authority/Legends ) patrol flotilla. About all you’d be missing are a the Marauder corvettes & IRD interceptors (oh, and the odd Recusant or Lucrehulk).

    • Fractalsponge

      Invincibles, not Procurators. I think Procurators are an order of magnitude more terrifying than what something like the Corporate Sector would be allowed to maintain. Tbh CSA didn’t seem all that powerful in fluff ever, and definitely not in the same league as Corellia, Kuat, etc.

      • gorkmalork

        Yeah, I was more/less running on old-school aesthetics & Brian Daley nostalgia with that lineup-didn’t really think through the implications of “ogliarch backwater firmly under the Empire’s thumb” or later Legends’ revealing the C-Sector as just one more faction which threw in on the Clone Wars’ rigged-to-lose side. “Challenging sidebar setting for Pre-ANH Han & Chewie” doesn’t require a Corellia (or even Hutt holdings)-tier naval budget.

        • Steve Bannon

          I’m pretty sure the CSA got their hands on some secondhand combat-retrofit Lucrehulks, which should be in the same range for power generation as Fractal’s Procurator, even if they have awful firing arcs and acceleration. Kuat, TaggeCo and Rendili were both signatory sponsors of their charter as well, which opens up the possibility of some fairly significant defense fleets.

          • gorkmalork

            Might still be enough of a power-generation gap ‘tween the two to make L-hulks seem like a safer fit for one’s privatized proxy-state client. Come to think of it, those rather sleek-hulled TaggeCo ships from the same Marvel strips that spawned Praetor (and now Fractal’s Procurator take, I suppose) might’ve also been marketable as a ‘pocket fast flag’ for polities Palpy didn’t quite trust with heavier metal. Wookiee’s Legends history happens to include a bit where the whole C-Sector was conquered by Warlord Zsinj inside about 2 years, so presumably its strategic reserves were (artificially kept?) none too deep by Imp standards.

  12. Anonymous

    So Fractal what are you going to do next the heavy frigate or possibly a Mandator?

  13. Corausr

    After you finished this marvelous piece of art would you consider tackling the Titan class Star Destroyer i would love to see your version and or the Centurion class Dreadnought iirc the ravager flagship of darth nihilus from Kotor 2

  14. PhantomFury

    It’s beautiful! I am new here, but I have been a fan of your models since I saw them on the SW Wikia. Will you make another reaction post concerning the Mega (*cringe* that naming though) class Star “Destroyer”?

    • StellarMagic

      I really hope the Mega-class will turn out to be an error, or resistance slang, or something. If there was one ship of a class built, the class-name should be the same as that ship that was built.

      • PhantomFury

        I agree, because Supremacy-clas sounds far more traditional. Even the so-called “Super-class Star destroyer” was just a dud (in Legends). And while they are at that, they might as well not call it a “star destroyer” since the Resurgence-class is dubbed a “battlecruiser” and the 8km Pizza is a “dreadnought”

  15. Taghmata Omnissiah

    This is the same “Procurator” class that was build in Republic times? It do look much more and Imperial era ship.

  16. Anonymous

    Hey Fractal how many ISD power reactors could compare to the Procurator power reactor like 10-15?

  17. valoren

    Thank for this new addition to the imperial fleet. I like the change of angle in the dorsal hull, the t-shaped bridge tower and the front end’s protruding superstructure block, it give it a fairly special look compared to pretty much all of the other starships in the imperial’s arsenal.
    Also, since you already talked about the designs from episode 8 on this site, are you going to address the new 60 km wide “mega” star destroyer ? I don’t know if you’re going to dedicate a whole article to it, so soon after the last one, but could you please share your thought on the subject ?

    • gorkmalork

      I believe Fractal vented some spleen re: that Superduperwedge(R) when someone mentioned it back on the TLJ dreadnought reaction post’s comment section.

        • gorkmalork

          No sweat. Honestly, the hyperwedge doesn’t stick in my craw quite so much as the siege pizzas, but its class name locks my eyeballs firmly in the upright position.

          • valoren

            Yeah, the same. I mean, since how long has the discussion about the Executor ended ? You think they would have figured it out by now. It should be called a supremacy-class star dreadnought, but if it’s anything like the Executor, it probably will be at some point.
            The size is completely bonkers though. All the biggest dreadnought created by the original Empire could fit inside the thing. I thought the F.O. was supposed to use its ressources more efficiently, but to this day we’ve only be presented with colossal wastes of material. And since, for scenarists, ramming is the quickest shortcut to complete obliteration, it will probably suffer the same fate as the Executor.

          • gorkmalork

            @valoren
            Seconded on the “where’s Space Daesh finding the resources/funds for all this??” front (though I suppose they *could* have lucked into some uncharted raw-material source or just been bleeding FO worlds dry). At least the damn thing’s ‘only’ several times larger than any prior superheavy, as opposed to ‘Death Star-ballpark flying wing’. Still nuts enough that the following fan-design pisstake link seems relevant (though the rest of that forum thread…:/): https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/imperium-class-ultra-star-destroyer.184259/

  18. RhysT

    Wow, I think I’d be hard pressed to find something about this design I ‘Don’t’ like. Simply a fantastic design and concept. As others have said repeatedly: I REALLY wish you were the one designing ships in the new trilogy.

    • Joannes808

      One can dream no? For me unfortunately, not even the MSD seems to give off that dominating aura that I was anticipating… Seeing Snoke though come out of hyperspace in the bridge of the Wrath with a bunch of these as escort… That would be another story.

  19. Tom Freeman

    Beautiful! It’s an odd-looking beast, and I say that in the most complimentary way possible. It really nails the late-century Republic look, and I’m glad Fractal went ahead and used the Procurator class name.

    To mirror a frequent sentiment, I wish we could see more designs like this in “official” products, rather than the junk we’re getting…between the Mandator-IV and the Mega-class, I’ve just about given up hope that Disney will ever give us another quality Imperial cap-ship.

    • Nate The_Great

      I agree with your sentiment, good sir. I must, however, disagree with your point on the “Procurator-class” name. There are already illustrations of the Procurator-class, as well as my belief that this vessel does not conform to the outlines set in the Treaty Of Ruusan, and therefore can not possibly be of the Procurator-class.

        • Tom Freeman

          It is true that this ship wouldn’t comply with the restrictions on the Republic Navy. If I may point out, however, the Procurator isn’t exclusively a Navy asset; it was something of a vanity project for Kuat Drive Yards, who sold them mainly to defense fleets in rich sectors. Local defense forces, especially in sectors with a lot of money and political clout, wouldn’t necessarily be held to the same limits. Does it make any sort of technical sense? No, but then bureaucracies never do. It would be hilarious to imagine a bunch of these sitting in reserve docks around Kuat and Humbarine while the Stark Hyperspace War was being fought with up-armored diplomatic shuttles.

          • gorkmalork

            Dunno if ‘in-house fleet asset off central government books’ quite qualifies as ‘vanity project’, but that is a chucklesome picture you paint. Suppose it also hints at why none of the prequel battles chronicling this prominent Jedi or that involved Count Lee-err, Dooku & Grievous screaming at Palpy over holocomms while a Mandator chewed through their fleet in the backdrop.

          • Sephiroth0812

            The problem with these ships not being shown during the Clone Wars lies not solely within the ostensible claim that they were part of “private” sector fleets (as after the war broke out all those sector fleets were incorporated into the centralized navy) but that most of these bigger ships had very shitty hyperdrives which didn’t allow for them to be used offensively or travel to war theatres outside of the Core and Colonies regions.
            Both the Procurator-class and the Mandator I (of which very few units existed by the way) fall under this moniker while the Mandator II (of which the often cited “Pride of the Core” is a member) did have a decent hyperdrive, it also had rather few numbers and was mainly used to defend key Republic systems which either a) the CIS did not dare to attack or b) were simply never shown in any Clone Wars-material in both Legends and Disney canon.
            Now the Praetor Mark I Battlecruisers I read somewhere were refitted with better hyperdrives and used more offensively by the Republic (the Quaestor and the Battalion are mentioned in some Legends stories) but they most likely simply weren’t included because of oversight in more well-known media.

  20. RedBird

    Professor Fractal,

    The ship is fantastic, however the ship seems to be missing two of the Venator/Victory type HTL turrets on the right-side aft of the conning tower. ;D

    Or my turret counting-fu is lacking?

    What do you see this ship carrying crew/fighter/troop wise?

    • gorkmalork

      I only count one small-ish portside turret aft of the bridge which isn’t mirrored to starboard, but good eye. Tempted to visualize this beast hauling roughly 2.5 Venators’ worth of small craft, but I may well be lowballing.

      • RedBird

        One turret is on one of those rectangular platforms near the center-line, the other is on a missing custom base further outboard and to the rear of the first, near the rear edge of the conning tower outcropping.

        • gorkmalork

          *squints at aforementioned area*
          Hm, right you are. Thanks for narrowing that down.

          • RedBird

            I count turrets… lots of zooming in, used scrap paper with tally-marks on them, and sore eyes. ;D

  21. Anonymous

    So the lighting on the Assertor you did recently which look amazing by away you also did with this ship which make me think are you going to do this type of lighting on all your ships you created?
    Also the ball turrets on the Procurator is it 175 Teratons caliber?

  22. gorkmalork

    Mercy, the lighting. That *thruster* lighting. The greeble distribution. Somehow deriving yet another distinctive shape from the KDY doomwedge template, even without factoring in the aft-superstructure winglets. Yep, this one’s a keeper.

    • Steve Bannon

      It’s a pity the Clone Wars cartoon animation team was so reluctant to flesh out the upper echelons of the Republic fleet list by sticking to Acclamators, Arquitens, and Venators, all while giving the CIS interesting designs like the Subjugator and the supply ship. Seeing a Procurator or some other battlecruiser in Republic livery delivering a multiple petaton alpha strike on a Lucrehulk was the one thing I was hoping every new season would highlight, but alas.

      • gorkmalork

        I kinda wonder if having upper-end naval assets drop in & clean house now & again struck someone(s) as “too Imperial crackdown-evocative; fans want Plucky Agents of Peace & Justice, and we’re still pretending the Republic Did Nothing Wrong.” Plus, of course, render budget being saved for story-purpose antagonist devices. Though now I’m wondering how far down a Subjugator’s ion bursts would cut the Munificent count needed to break even with a Mandator.

        • Steve Bannon

          The solution to that is giving the Procurator to a traitorous admiral, or maybe a disloyal sector defense fleet, forcing our Plucky Agents of Peace & Justice to have to shut it down with some trickery.

          About the Subjugator, since the ion wave seems to expand outwards area-wise fairly rapidly, targets at normal (?) engagement ranges of several light-seconds away can’t be taking that much ion energy, but corvettes, fighters, and other small craft are still probably disabled. A Mandator’s shields should be able to hold that, regardless of how much volume in the Subjugator is devoted to capacitor banks.

          At point blank range, all bets are off, and total shield failure might be pretty plausible, but the Subjugator surviving until it can close to that kind of range against a Mandator’s fire is questionable. With similar hull shapes and the Mandator being 8km to the Subjugator’s 5km, and the Mandator II being a much more general-purpose design, the Republican dreadnaught has a pretty conclusive power-generation edge.

          I suspect the CIS’s Subjugator to be somewhat akin to the Executor in role, being more suited to hunting down destroyer squadrons than engaging fellow superheavies, but that’s just speculation.

          • gorkmalork

            Not a bad scenario. You still might get some “wah why are the good guyz ships THAT Imperial-shaped” flap, but that was half the prequels’ point anyway.

            Come to think of it, the sort of point-blank mayhem that might give a Subjugator its best disabling shot(s) would also demand some damned careful positioning on the part of its support screen-it’s either stay on your flag’s unengaged arcs at all costs or get zorched by ion splash. And all this is assuming the Mandator doesn’t have its own screen either present or a short jump away.

            Eh, I figure that multi-role though it may be, the sheer scale gap between Ex and most prior superheavy designs would demand at least a half-dozen Praetor/Bellator-tonnage opponents (or two Mandator III-weight heavies) before you squeak out of mutually-assured destruction territory (well, ASSuming nobody breaks for hyperspace or scores a golden-BB hit). Then again, I’m also the schlub who gets a little sick of YouTube-comment fanwank about Eclipse & Sovereign (the latter of which basically got a silhouette-talk about napkin navies), so take that with an Atlantic coast’s worth of salt.

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