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Ryadra777
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Fractal when you made this tank that big (The standard variant) I expect it to have duel LTL as its primary armament and I was right. But what I did not expect is what it look like and In my mind I was expecting it to look like this:comment image

Because I think it would give it a better hit accuracy then the one the Scythe is carrying. But what the reason for choosing the wide version instead of the tight version?

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

Why should slightly dispersed guns have a penalty towards accuracy in SW? Even the Spitfire and Hurricane in the late 30s were able to set convergence points so that the wing guns were shooting at the same point at a given range. With the computing power available to a tank like this, fire control should be trivial.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Guns in the SWU might even be able to auto-adjust the convergence point based on the range-finder’s predicted range-to-target.

Kranky
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Is it possible to hire you?

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

WHO ME?!

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

so i took the liberty of writing up some tech specs please feel free to comment, critique or add to this. Specifications: Name/Type: HAVr A10 Scythe Heavy Repulsortank Designer/Manufacturer: Kuat Drive Yards Combat Role: Heavy Repulsortank Crew: 5: Commander, Driver + 3 Gunners Length: 25 Meters Propulsion: Repulsorlift 2m ceiling. Speed: 300 km/h Hull Rating: 200 RU Weapons: Primary Turret: (Battletank): Twin Turbolaser Cannons. (AA/Close Fire Support): Dual “Avenger” Vulcan Laser Cannons. Mass-Driver (Missile Carrier): 3 x Warhead racks (15 concussion missiles or 9 proton torpedoes each). Secondary: Front/Rear Turreted Twin Light Blaster Cannons, 2 x Side Sponson Twin Light… Read more »

Fritz Soldat
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Fritz Soldat

Instead of “3 gunners”, how about 1 gunner, 1 loader, and 1 radio/communications operator?

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

It has 5 turrets and no crew loadable munitions; I don’t think a loader would have much to do other than control a turret.
The comms operator may be a good idea, though that is usually handled by the Commander in most modern tanks, iirc. Sci-fi generally seems to forget how many different radio settings a tank commander needs to avoid confusion.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

This being Star Wars, comms operation could be handled by a droid, who is probably better equipped to multi-task the radio settings than an organic being in the heat of battle.

Daib
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Daib

And yet, every time we see a Rebel Base in the films, we see heaps of personnel assigned to do just that.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

That’s a bit different than a front-line combat vehicle. Just because a live comm tech is appropriate in one scenario doesn’t mean it will the best fit for all of them.

jean-luc martel
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jean-luc martel

ya, a full-blown base CIC with hundreds or thousands of personnel and lots of traffic need hands-on operators. but an individual AFV? not really unless a dedicated recon/scout/command role.

jean-luc
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jean-luc

as TheIcthala points out this vehicle doesn’t have any old fashioned hand reloading (at least as far as i know). the artillery versions probably have an ordnance specialist but they aren’t the basic version above. FractalSponge: any words of wisdom here?

STONEhenk
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STONEhenk

The sideguns are (or at least look) the same size as the heavy laser cannons on the AT-AT and Broadsword, so they can do serious damage even to heavier vehicles and base defences (like shield generators). I’m also feel your crew numbers are way to low. The AT-AT only have 3 crew because all the guns are directed forward. But the AT-TE with guns on all sides have 4 additional gunners to man this guns for a total of 7. I think Scythes are closer to 10 crewmembers than 5. -Commander -Primary Driver -Secondary Driver/Sensor-officer -2 Gunners for the primary… Read more »

Jonathan C
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Jonathan C

Sorry this is several months old, but if the mass driver is the 7th picture down, what do you reckon the 9th picture down (single canon, round, not as long) is?

Ryadra777
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That is a Ion Cannon.

TheIcthala
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TheIcthala

That’s a warship grade light ion cannon. Similar to the ion cannons on the Aiwha-Class Corvette and Velox-Class Frigate.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

Ok that’s important

Jonathan C
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Jonathan C

Ahh, I thought it was the same as the four cannons on the Stormtrooper and Assault Transports.

jean-luc
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jean-luc

some background and specs would be nice. also whats the difference between the mass driver and artillery gun?

Ryadra777
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Fractal said the mass driver IS a artillery gun.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

ok but is it more for direct fire vs long range indirect fire? the mass driver looks like a siege gun to me for demolishing bunkers and such. does the Artillery Gun use physical rounds or is more like a turbolaser?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

What if it’s both? Something with the range to be useful for artillery support in a sci-fi setting will probably have a pretty high muzzle velocity, which would make it usable as a direct-fire weapon, as well. It’s also possible that whatever driver is used to fire the shell (EM, gravity / tractor beams, etc) can vary said muzzle velocity for specific targets.

As far as energy vs. physical, how about an expendable one-shot directed energy weapon into an artillery shell? Best of both worlds.

jean-luc
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jean-luc

single use energy cell sound like the Incredible cross section of the ATT.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I didn’t say energy cell; I said energy ‘weapon’. Like the energy equivalent of a shaped charge that fires a directional blast of energy on detonation.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

So a HEAT round?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

More sci-fi than that. Something on par with the X-Ray Laser Weapon concept, or with laser anti-ship warheads from the Honor Harrington universe. HEAT is contact detonated; this would be more proximity detonated.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

So like a Wookiee Bowcaster round? Sheathes a physical round in plasma?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

No. A disposable, single-shot turbolaser inside an artillery shell. The cannon lofts the round over the horizon and/or intervening obstacles, and once the shell is close enough, with a line of sight to its target, it detonates and fires a single turbolaser blast as the shell annihilates itself.

Shaun
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Shaun

Wait, wait, wait… It doesn’t disintegrate. The casing and spent power cell continue through the ballistic trajectory and slam into whatever’s there!

**BOOM**

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Considering the energy levels involved, a low velocity kinetic impact would be an afterthought at that point.

Shaun
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Shaun

You’ve gotta think of it in terms of what a great visual it’d be! 101 FRONT LINES OF A WORN TORN PLANET Camera pans across the valiant tank crew of a HAVr A10 Scythe as it gets one last shot off before exploding violently. Camera POV from behind advanced artillary shell as it splits open, revealing a miniature turbo laser that swivels mid-flight to release a powerful blast that destroys the command centre hidden behind a fortified blast shield at the periphery of the shot as the rest of shell heads straight for a battalion of enemy troops. Camera from… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Having an actual internal turbolaser is way more sophisticated than I’m envisioning. Remember, this is supposed to only be used once, so it’d be better to use some sort of terminal guidance mechanism to steer the shell than to include a separate internal aiming mechanism. I’m picturing something like the Power Guns from Hammer’s Slammers, where solid state ammo is converted into a linear energy discharge. So, from front to back, the shell consists of a guidance package, reactant, single-shot blaster to ignite the reactant, and read guidance package, with the shell casing being just strong enough to contain the… Read more »

Shaun
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Shaun

That’s very well reasoned and perhaps the best way to capture such a device within the realm of reality. The only thing I would argue is that the energy released is more likely to vaporize the shell casing than to cause any effective secondary effect. Maybe it’d work if there were a multi-layered casing with an inner shield casing that directs the beam protects a middle layer of gas or some type of reactive material that then blasts the outer (shaped for effect?) casing away after the shot, but before it can vaporize. . . . . . . ,.… Read more »

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

LOL. That would be a fun scene. With Clone Wars restarting, we can only hope…

My mention of molten shrapnel was more of a nod to your suggestion of the spent shell causing damage from physical impact; I think any shrapnel effects would be incidental at best. I’m more partial to the case vaporizing.

Jean-Luc
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Jean-Luc

you make this thing sound like a Funnel from Mobile Suit Gundam.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

I don’t see how you get that. A Funnel is essentially a reusable attack drone; this concept is just an artillery shell that’s fired from a cannon and air bursts over a target, firing a powerful energy blast in the process. It’s fired once, and blows up. Terminally guided artillery shells exist today, so it’s reasonable to assume something like it will exist in the SWU.

jean-luc
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jean-luc

HEH, okay.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

My original concept was much smaller: basically a solid-state turbolaser in a tube that locks onto the barrel of a blaster rifle. Kinda the SWU equivalent of a rifle-launched grenade. In that case, though, the tube is tough enough to survive intact so it can be manually removed.

From there, other applications of energy weapons with solid state ammo present themselves: missile warheads, space mines, even starship cannon (like the guns on the Invisible Hand in RotS, with ammo feeds and ejecting spent casings when they fire).

LazerZ
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LazerZ

I think the 1-H just became obsolete.

Valiran9
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Valiran9

Biiig tank. I love it! You make the best original designs! Have you ever considered doing a model of the S-1 FireHawke from the old Star Wars Adventure Journal? The silhouette makes it look like one of the more sensibly designed vehicles in Star Wars media, and it would be great to see your take on it.

Noah
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Noah

The AT-AT in pic 40 looks so sad.

The one in pic 38 looks like it’s about to get slapped by the tank.

CT2222
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CT2222

Did somebody say A-10? BBBRRRRRRRRRTTTT!!!

Chris Bradshaw
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Chris Bradshaw

This place drifts closer to reddit every single day.

CT2222
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CT2222

Admit it,you laughed.
Also,what were the different weapons? I could tell with the AA Pod and the Dual Heavy Guns,but the others confused me.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

well to answer that i wrote up some tech specs and short background. and yes i called them “avenger” Vulcan lasers with you in mind.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

VULCAN MEGA BLASTER! BRRRRRRT!

Ryadra777
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So Fractal I do understand why you didn’t name it Claymore because it sound Scottish. But what about Greatsword?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Because it’s already called the Scythe?

Ryadra777
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I know that I’m just asking Fractal what his thoughts on Greatsword as a name and if he want to choose it or not before choosing Scythe as the final name.
Although I bet Fractal thinks Greatsword would probably also sound scottish like Claymore.

Jean-Luc Martel
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Jean-Luc Martel

honestly, scythe does seem appropriate when you look at the firepower this thing is packing.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

All of a sudden, I’m wondering what this vehicle would look like with the Flak Pod from the AT-AA. I always thought the Pod was better explained as an armored housing protecting whatever sort of weapon they could fit inside it.

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Fractal, is there any sort of etiquette or procedure for posting or linking game stats for your creations?

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

Fractal, relating to the discussion of Scythe vs. LAAT, how do you conceptualize the difference between airspeeders and landspeeders? It’s part of the canon that both vehicle types use the same system (repulsorlifts) to operate, yet one is forced to stay close to the ground while the other can reach low orbit. I have my own theory on this, but I’m curious what distinction you make.

Anonymous
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You know Fractal with the size of the Scythe I wonder do you think there would be a Theta barge variant to carry this tank and it variants if it were store in destroyer sized ships alongside with a another variant that carry a AT-SE?

Anonymous
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So Fractal since you have made variants of the Scythe I was wondering when you are going to make the variants of the broadsword IVF that you mention earlier like the APC, Indirect fire and a proper tank? And also if you are going to do that sooner or later if is possible that you could do a flak variant as well?

Nikolai
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Nikolai

I think that the turret siting so high up off of the top of the vehicle makes the turret a really large target, what if the turret sat lower in the tank so that the elevation adjustment arm wasn’t in view as much? This is just an idea that occurred to me and I still think that the tank looks phenomenal.

Anonymous
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So Fractal this tank is around 25 meters in length as you said before right?

PhantomFury
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PhantomFury

Oh wow, this thing is huge!

Mr. Legends is best canon
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Mr. Legends is best canon

I think the sabertank would be a great escort for this tank

Anonymous
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So Fractal about the flank variant was is also used for anti-air attacks?

Hecatomb
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Hecatomb

This thing is bad ass, very nice! I particularly like the modular turrets for different weapon loadouts.

Anonymous
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So since the Broadsword is the A7 while the Scythe is the A10 I wonder what the A8 & A9 would be?

JFKrol2
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JFKrol2

Prototypes that were abandonedm just like many British cruiser tanks designs in 20ies and 30ies

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

The HAVr-A9 Floating Fortress is a WEG creation used primarily for urban occupation and pacification. The design is somewhat problematic, but the model does exist.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HAVr_A9_Floating_Fortress

CRMcNeill
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CRMcNeill

And, while the A8 has no official assignment, I ended up using it to game stat a Repulsorlift variant of the A6 called the Behemoth. Take it for what it’s worth…

JamesMCGR
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JamesMCGR

So Fractal, who would win between this and an AT-AT? I’m putting money on this guy. this is one of the coolest things I’ve seen all week.

mrdmiller
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mrdmiller

was looking at this and i started wondering what would it look like if 1 had a mobile shield projector to protect any infantry or lighter vehicles it is placed with

Anonymous
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So Fractal about the Mass Driver Cannon how powerful is it and what kind of projectile it is firing?

Shaun
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Shaun

Damn she is BIG.

This would also make for a decent recovery vehicle platform. Swap out the main and secondary weapons for manipulator arms and/or a tractor beams and keep the point defence guns and you’ve got a engineering vehicle.

Also, fantastic work.