Having cracked open & enjoyed those old Lando books: at least *his* star-cetaceoid pals had a bio-technobabbly means of evasion & returning fire, and were barely holding their own. The Disneyboot whalesquids just pop in at the usual spitting-distance range, cruise on in with no visible Imp reaction besides OMGWTKRIFF, & ram the guts outta Nu!Thrawn’s squadron before hauling ’em (plus Plucky Teen Jedi Protag(C)) off to fates unknown. Now, I’m not exactly a ride-or-die Thrawn fan (frankly, the guy strikes me as damn near Boba Fett-level overhyped), but…Sithspit, do I wish Rebels had reserved their main cast’s capship-wrecking antics for corvette-scale craft & brought in heavies like Home One (or more sabotage-style stuff, a V-150 or two, etc.) to counter destroyer-tonnage threats.
It might shock you, but I don’t really care about any of the animated series.
I like (really like even!) some of the design work for new stuff to come out of Rebels, but the over-stylization, some of the deliberate design issues like star destroyer and TIE fighter proportions, and the overall serial nature of the plot just annoys me when applied to SW. I thought the same about Clone Wars as well. Good execution, but not “Star Wars” for me. Sort of how I feel about the sequels, to be honest :).
So Fractal I guess the stuff that you like in Rebels in terms of vehicles are the AT-DP, the Gozanti class cruiser and the Quasar Fire class light carrier right?
The vaguely TIE-evocative panels do fit a small troop boat’s aesthetic rather better than things like the Raider corvette, but otherwise I have to give our host’s (much) better-equipped equivalents the nod.
I’m somewhat partial to the Inquisitors’ TIE prototypes & that Wookiee gunship, so far as show-original craft go. Those Mando protectorate fighters would also make the list if their wing-rotation attack mode didn’t seem so goofy. Ghost itself coulda used at least 2-3 more large engine pods, though the parasite mini-shuttle was a neat concept.
PhantomFury
5 years ago
Whoa-that’s nice detail as per usual! Just the ventral surface and this beauty is done! And it took me a while to find the quad trench guns everyone is talking about- but when I do see it, it makes me oh-so-very-happy at estimating what destructive capabilities it is capable of offering!
You know of all the CIS ships that I see one of them I was not sure have any use and that is the supply ship:/revision/latest?cb=20111112051511
So does anyone have the idea of what role does this ship do?
A lot of CIS ships and ground vehicles use munitions.
Their warships almost all have flak cannons, Hailfire droids use missiles, HMPs use missiles, Vulture Droids and Tri-Fighters use missiles, AATs use various forms of torpedo, Hyena Bombers use proton bombs, etc. All of these need their munitions replenishing somehow.
There’s also the fact that these supply ships have been used to relieve besieged cities.
There are many potential purposes, both directly military (munitions supply, food and water for organic troops in certain campaigns) and civilian (relief supplies during/after a campaign), for such a ship in the CIS.
Well true but the Lucrehulk does that job better while carried either way more fighters or supplies due to it’s huge space that is available especially the latter due to the fact that it was formerly a super freighter and it is much larger at around 3 km in length and width while the supply ship is just around 1.2 km in width and 900 m in length and height.
True, but so was the supply ship. Both started out as commercial vessels before the Clone Wars, and joined the CIS Navy at the outbreak of war due to their owners siding with the CIS. The supply ships could not be easily converted into front line combatants and so continued to move cargo. The Lucrehulks, on the other hand, were already Trade Defence Force battleships, leading to them being upgraded further and used as front line combatants throughout the war.
It was, essentially, a case of “we have thousands of each of these two types of super-freighters. The smaller ones can’t really be used as warships, so we’ll keep them as freighters. The larger ones have already proven that they can be highly effective, high endurance battleships, supercarriers, and invasion launch platforms; let’s use them as those.”
What are you using to render these?
I recently started using Corona render, unbiased, fast, and it’s just perfect for spaceship renderings! (the special AO map works as a procedural edge wear, there’s bloom, edgesmooth effect for greeble )
Sorry for being a noob, is the Imperator class the one from the TESB? I Don’t remember those middle turrets, or is it a special class? Because other than that it looks exactly like the TESB version.
Well you 1/3 right Fractal said this Imperator he making is a mixture of ANH (quad trench turrets), Rouge One (Ventral heavy turbolasers) and ESB (whole ship details) models.
Where are the heavy ventral turbolasers? I’ve tried to scour Star Wars Screencaps but can’t find anything prominent on the ventral surface other than the triple mediums ahead of the main hanger.
there are 3 big cannons on the Rouge One star destroyers, and after looking at the New hope star destroyer studio model, there are tiny cannons there, but they are one little mold, barely visible.
So Fractal I guess the only heavy turrets left are the 4 ventral heavy turrets 2 at the bow and 2 near the hangers right? Unless there are even more heavy turrets.
Jon+Harper
5 years ago
I feel that the top side hull is missing a number of medium dual Turbo Laser Batteries. But aside from that? Probably the most detailed Star Destroyer model I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work, Fractalsponge!
It looks amazing so far. Can’t wait to see the final product when it appears
Arvenski
5 years ago
*Hums Rogue One theme*
Spaceman+28
5 years ago
Did you take some of these pictures at different times? Some detailing near the turbolasers is shown in some images but appears to not be in others. Or is it just a light trick?
cScott
5 years ago
How useful/limited is the firing arc of that trench quad HTL? If a ball turret HTL had been in that placement, like on the Allegiance-class, would the firing arc have improved at all?
The trench quad heavy turbolasers have an approximate firing arc of around 90 degrees, oriented to the bows. Fitting, seeing as how the ISD design itself is intended to be able to focus all of its firepower to fore while still presenting a minimal profile to the enemy. A ball mount, while it would improve the firing arc, defeats the purpose of the design, and takes up too much space; it would block weapons mounted sternward of the weapon from firing towards the bow. In order to utilize a ball mount, it would have to be mounted “deeper” in the trench, which in turn defeats the use of the ball mount by limiting the firing arc of the HTL.
Yeah the ANH model had it in this position but the articulation was unclear. I definitely think it is a situational use mount – more for when the destroyer can safely line up bows-on and unload. Limited usage in the normal evasive pattern where I imagine the main destroyer is kept to the dorsal arc.
Perhaps the trench quad is primarily a capacitor fed weapon designed to achieve local shield burnthrough against slow/static targets like Lucrehulks or planets. By the time of the Galactic Civil War, I could see fed-up captains having the mounts removed to save on maintenance time and credit costs due to the lack of available targets.
Sweet the trench is done and that is a interesting place for a quad trench heavy turbolasers but I wonder why there?
Oh by away is the quad trench guns a 70 teraton caliber or a 40 teraton caliber?
I know it was there I meant to say why it was move to the side of the brim trench instead in the centre but I guess it was originally like that so that answer my question.
Will this ship be completed (the bottom) or is that it?
It’s pretty much done – final touches now.
Hey Fractal. Are you planning on making a model of the LAAT gunship at any point? Or maybe some rebel ships like the CR-90 or the MC-80 Liberty?
Fractal actually whipped up an original Mon Cal ( https://fractalsponge.net/?p=2170 ) last year.
So Fractal do you watch Rebels? If so, what have you though of the finale?
Five words : imperators destroyed by flying whales.
Flying space whales that can travel through hyperdrive to be exact.
sounds like the same what happened to the empire during the battle of thon boka in “Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of Thon Boka”
Having cracked open & enjoyed those old Lando books: at least *his* star-cetaceoid pals had a bio-technobabbly means of evasion & returning fire, and were barely holding their own. The Disneyboot whalesquids just pop in at the usual spitting-distance range, cruise on in with no visible Imp reaction besides OMGWTKRIFF, & ram the guts outta Nu!Thrawn’s squadron before hauling ’em (plus Plucky Teen Jedi Protag(C)) off to fates unknown. Now, I’m not exactly a ride-or-die Thrawn fan (frankly, the guy strikes me as damn near Boba Fett-level overhyped), but…Sithspit, do I wish Rebels had reserved their main cast’s capship-wrecking antics for corvette-scale craft & brought in heavies like Home One (or more sabotage-style stuff, a V-150 or two, etc.) to counter destroyer-tonnage threats.
It might shock you, but I don’t really care about any of the animated series.
I like (really like even!) some of the design work for new stuff to come out of Rebels, but the over-stylization, some of the deliberate design issues like star destroyer and TIE fighter proportions, and the overall serial nature of the plot just annoys me when applied to SW. I thought the same about Clone Wars as well. Good execution, but not “Star Wars” for me. Sort of how I feel about the sequels, to be honest :).
So Fractal I guess the stuff that you like in Rebels in terms of vehicles are the AT-DP, the Gozanti class cruiser and the Quasar Fire class light carrier right?
I do like all of those. I also like the tetrahedron freighter, and the Mandalorian yacht and a few others as well.
Right what about the Patrol transport?
/revision/latest?cb=20150323124854
Example:
Fractal’s own Imperial gunships are both more aesthetically pleasing and functional.
The vaguely TIE-evocative panels do fit a small troop boat’s aesthetic rather better than things like the Raider corvette, but otherwise I have to give our host’s (much) better-equipped equivalents the nod.
I’m somewhat partial to the Inquisitors’ TIE prototypes & that Wookiee gunship, so far as show-original craft go. Those Mando protectorate fighters would also make the list if their wing-rotation attack mode didn’t seem so goofy. Ghost itself coulda used at least 2-3 more large engine pods, though the parasite mini-shuttle was a neat concept.
Whoa-that’s nice detail as per usual! Just the ventral surface and this beauty is done! And it took me a while to find the quad trench guns everyone is talking about- but when I do see it, it makes me oh-so-very-happy at estimating what destructive capabilities it is capable of offering!
You know of all the CIS ships that I see one of them I was not sure have any use and that is the supply ship:
/revision/latest?cb=20111112051511
So does anyone have the idea of what role does this ship do?
A lot of CIS ships and ground vehicles use munitions.
Their warships almost all have flak cannons, Hailfire droids use missiles, HMPs use missiles, Vulture Droids and Tri-Fighters use missiles, AATs use various forms of torpedo, Hyena Bombers use proton bombs, etc. All of these need their munitions replenishing somehow.
There’s also the fact that these supply ships have been used to relieve besieged cities.
There are many potential purposes, both directly military (munitions supply, food and water for organic troops in certain campaigns) and civilian (relief supplies during/after a campaign), for such a ship in the CIS.
Well true but the Lucrehulk does that job better while carried either way more fighters or supplies due to it’s huge space that is available especially the latter due to the fact that it was formerly a super freighter and it is much larger at around 3 km in length and width while the supply ship is just around 1.2 km in width and 900 m in length and height.
After all LH-3210 was design to carry enormous amount of cargo. More then 25 milion of metric tones alone.
True, but so was the supply ship. Both started out as commercial vessels before the Clone Wars, and joined the CIS Navy at the outbreak of war due to their owners siding with the CIS. The supply ships could not be easily converted into front line combatants and so continued to move cargo. The Lucrehulks, on the other hand, were already Trade Defence Force battleships, leading to them being upgraded further and used as front line combatants throughout the war.
It was, essentially, a case of “we have thousands of each of these two types of super-freighters. The smaller ones can’t really be used as warships, so we’ll keep them as freighters. The larger ones have already proven that they can be highly effective, high endurance battleships, supercarriers, and invasion launch platforms; let’s use them as those.”
What are you using to render these?
I recently started using Corona render, unbiased, fast, and it’s just perfect for spaceship renderings! (the special AO map works as a procedural edge wear, there’s bloom, edgesmooth effect for greeble )
Sorry for being a noob, is the Imperator class the one from the TESB? I Don’t remember those middle turrets, or is it a special class? Because other than that it looks exactly like the TESB version.
Well you 1/3 right Fractal said this Imperator he making is a mixture of ANH (quad trench turrets), Rouge One (Ventral heavy turbolasers) and ESB (whole ship details) models.
Ah thanks! That’s a good idea, mixing the three movie versions.
Where are the heavy ventral turbolasers? I’ve tried to scour Star Wars Screencaps but can’t find anything prominent on the ventral surface other than the triple mediums ahead of the main hanger.
there are 3 big cannons on the Rouge One star destroyers, and after looking at the New hope star destroyer studio model, there are tiny cannons there, but they are one little mold, barely visible.
So Fractal I guess the only heavy turrets left are the 4 ventral heavy turrets 2 at the bow and 2 near the hangers right? Unless there are even more heavy turrets.
I feel that the top side hull is missing a number of medium dual Turbo Laser Batteries. But aside from that? Probably the most detailed Star Destroyer model I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work, Fractalsponge!
Fractal I think you miss the detail spot around the 3 axial triple heavy turbolasers or is it meant to be like that?
Maybe I’m not looking at the right area but it looks fine to me.
Here what I’m talking about on the top right corner: https://fractalsponge.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/isd2_60.jpg
When I meant details I meant the surface greebles like the lines, dark patches and small bumps.
There’s some subtle panel lining over there
It looks amazing so far. Can’t wait to see the final product when it appears
*Hums Rogue One theme*
Did you take some of these pictures at different times? Some detailing near the turbolasers is shown in some images but appears to not be in others. Or is it just a light trick?
How useful/limited is the firing arc of that trench quad HTL? If a ball turret HTL had been in that placement, like on the Allegiance-class, would the firing arc have improved at all?
The trench quad heavy turbolasers have an approximate firing arc of around 90 degrees, oriented to the bows. Fitting, seeing as how the ISD design itself is intended to be able to focus all of its firepower to fore while still presenting a minimal profile to the enemy. A ball mount, while it would improve the firing arc, defeats the purpose of the design, and takes up too much space; it would block weapons mounted sternward of the weapon from firing towards the bow. In order to utilize a ball mount, it would have to be mounted “deeper” in the trench, which in turn defeats the use of the ball mount by limiting the firing arc of the HTL.
Yeah the ANH model had it in this position but the articulation was unclear. I definitely think it is a situational use mount – more for when the destroyer can safely line up bows-on and unload. Limited usage in the normal evasive pattern where I imagine the main destroyer is kept to the dorsal arc.
Perhaps the trench quad is primarily a capacitor fed weapon designed to achieve local shield burnthrough against slow/static targets like Lucrehulks or planets. By the time of the Galactic Civil War, I could see fed-up captains having the mounts removed to save on maintenance time and credit costs due to the lack of available targets.
There’s always a city to bombard in the name of His Imperial Majesty the Emperor
Also, did you update the site itself? Cuz it seems different… (In a good way by the way.)
Wow, the time waiting for this puppy to come out will be well worth the time! She’s beautiful!
still a WIP, man. I can’t wait either
Sweet the trench is done and that is a interesting place for a quad trench heavy turbolasers but I wonder why there?
Oh by away is the quad trench guns a 70 teraton caliber or a 40 teraton caliber?
From what I see from other comments, the quad trench TL orignates from ANH
I know it was there I meant to say why it was move to the side of the brim trench instead in the centre but I guess it was originally like that so that answer my question.