Can the Zeta go into space at all like the LAAV/i?
graycie
4 years ago
this made me think about a fighter version of this. imagine this, a experimental imperial fighter, designed to be controled by a force sensitive pilot/someone forcefully grafted into the machine, abused tortured and drugged into compliance. dual twin laser canons, and on the of each arm a starfighter scale lightsaber.
the star wars equivlent too mobile armor in gundam.
Yes – there are renders showing this in the post (though I guess I didn’t include the ground plane).
Xeno
5 years ago
Hmmm…nice shuttle. In Canon, there’s already a Zeta-class Shuttle (what we see in Rogue 1) but I’m not sure which one I prefer more. Great work as always!
This Zeta is meant to carry all types of walkers (expect the AT-SP) from one place to another to give them tactical mobility. While the canon Zeta is a cargo shuttle mean to well carry cargo.
Sephiroth0812
5 years ago
I don’t know why, but the almost-organic shape with the various arms and the “eyes” on the front made me think that this vessel wouldn’t look out of place as a Separatist unit which could for example carry the Supertank from the Second battle of Geonosis, the big OG-9 Homing Spider droids, AATs or Hailfire Droids for fast deployment.
It won’t have hyperdrive so it needs to be landed, but after that it’s independent as a surface/air vehicle. It’s really a tactical vehicle for repositioning stuff (and in SW tactical is basically a world, rather than systems and sectors).
OK well I was actually thinking more about deployed from the ship to a planet, like a Imperator while it is near the planet while the carryall was carrying a walker like the LAAT/c from a Acclamator. But I guess it is more sense for the Zeta to be with the Chi at all time.
Alright then anyway speaking of carrying I know you said the Zeta can almost carry all walkers expect the AT-SP but what about the Juggernaut can it carry that or not?
No, not 1:1. I suppose it might be able to with several working together but I’m not sure if the geometry would allow an A6 to actually get grappled – it’d have to be tractor-beam based.
I see also the Juggernaut does have a great speed and mobility advantage over the walkers so it is fine getting in and out of the shield area on it own unless it is under-come major heavy fire from the enemy that would really threaten the Juggernaut that is.
Really even though the LAAT/c is 28.82 meters in length but the again the AT-AT is also 28 meters in length so I bet the LAAV/c you going to make in the future will be even bigger than the LAAT/c like around 35 meters in length to carry a AT-AT right?
Well Fractal I know the hypothetical LAAV/c won’t carry the AT-AT if it is the same size as the LAAV/i but it would carry repulsortanks like the broadsword and it possible variants you mention right?
cScott
5 years ago
Sorta looks like this was subcontracted out to the Colicoids to help meet Imperial demands
Anonymous
5 years ago
So Fractal would it be possible to make a smaller carryall variant that handle small walkers (AT-ST, AT-PT & AT-DP) & light repulsor tanks (TX130T Fighter tank) quicker than the Zeta or not because the Zeta can do that find enough?
Small biped walkers & light/medium repulsor armor can probably get packed onto something like a Star Galleon or fast dropship & just file off that in rapid order.
Something like an AT-ST or TX-130 could just be carried around by the Imperial equivalent to the LAAT/c, but the TX-130 is fast enough to not really need such a transport while the AT-ST is more of a garrison/scout/patrol vehicle that wouldn’t require air mobility that often.
Sounds about right-I was mostly musing in terms of rapid initial mass deployment. Come to think of it, First Order-updated -STs could probably sprint to most fronts in lieu of whistling up a LAAT. Unless we’re talking a Clone Wars/Dark Empire!Coruscant-scope clusterkriff.
It *can* but I doubt it’d be the most efficient at that. Probably a smaller transport. I’m pretty sure I can find an arrangement of 3 legs that could stably grapple a small walker, but then you’re using a fairly large craft to move very small cargoes. Not efficient.
My thinking for the Zeta is based on this idea that *big* walkers are designed to breach shielded perimeters. But once they get in they are stuck with horrible mobility. So they need basically a ground contact-capable dropship. From there it was a small jump to using legs that could grapple cargoes. The dropship walks in, then repositions the walkers that also walked into from outside the shield.
OK then so this carryall will be the only carryall you create then right?
Speaking of transport there was a modified Sentinel class landing craft called the imperial loader shuttle which carry a container carried with either a AT-ST or a AT-PT and they only appear in the rogue squadron games both 2 & 3.
Here what they look like:/revision/latest?cb=20060822075019
That’s one doozy of a ventral load for something Sentinel-sized-and talk about needing plus-height ceilings on one’s mothership. I get the impression something with enough horizontal footprint to drop a full light walker/repusortank squad would be somewhat handier.
Part of the inspiration for the carryall is that it can reposition loads FAST. A dropship would need to wait for a walker to walk on (and just the right way if the clearances are tight). A Zeta hovers, clamps on and activates tensors/tractor fields and then off it goes. A dropship also would have a hard time doing this under a shield, since most dropships can’t walk/roll across the shield perimeter, but a walker-turned-dropship can.
Fair enough for medium & heavy armor; I was just wondering if lighter units might find it easier to deploy en masse from something corvette-scale or bigger, spread out just prior to shield-border entry & do their own positioning afterward (‘specially repulsorcraft).
gorkmalork
5 years ago
Between the grasping arms, elegantly folding wing stubs & narrow viewport ‘eyes’, Zeta is one delightfully arthropod-evocative transport; if retconned into ESB’s Hoth sequences Special Edition(R) style, these hauler bugs would’ve complemented the probe droid aesthetic with panache.
SEETHER
5 years ago
Fractal,
I thoroughly enjoy your models and have pointed numerous people to your site to admire your ships. Slightly off topic for this particular model, but what is the possibility you could do an update on your first model, the executor? I have searched around the web and shockingly, there is very little in the way of well made SSD Executor art. Most are either screen shots of games, LEGO, or drawings. It would be greatly appreciated.
Much as I’d love an Executor update myself, that’s really too much of an undertaking for our host *not* to be amply compensated. Force knows too many official SW sources & spinoffs (pre-and post-Disneyboot) have flat-out lifted his stuff sans credit (including his initial Ex mesh for a Family Guy(C) parody, of all things).
I would speculate that were Fractal to do it again – he’d probably use Wookieepedia’s “Executor from above” as a starting point, to ensure that the length-to-width ratio is correct.
Points in full on (a) fellow modellers hopping the derivative train and (b) the issues renderers have with stuff like Big E’s fantail/ventral cavity/cortex proportions. Lotta ship with just enough extra angles to further confuse.
Spaceman 28
5 years ago
Would it be possible for the Vehicle being carried to be in use, i.e firing, while it was being carried?
I could see some extra-broke Rebel/pirate/smuggler doing just that after a lucky scrapyard find. Plus, nice flat dorsal surface to slap some graffiti on.
Can the Zeta go into space at all like the LAAV/i?
this made me think about a fighter version of this. imagine this, a experimental imperial fighter, designed to be controled by a force sensitive pilot/someone forcefully grafted into the machine, abused tortured and drugged into compliance. dual twin laser canons, and on the of each arm a starfighter scale lightsaber.
the star wars equivlent too mobile armor in gundam.
The Dark Empire’s shadow droid was basically that but without the lightsabers.
Question: can the zeta use it’s “grabbers” as a sort of legs/landing gear?
To walk with, similar to how some separatist ships can walk once landed
Yes – there are renders showing this in the post (though I guess I didn’t include the ground plane).
Hmmm…nice shuttle. In Canon, there’s already a Zeta-class Shuttle (what we see in Rogue 1) but I’m not sure which one I prefer more. Great work as always!
This Zeta is meant to carry all types of walkers (expect the AT-SP) from one place to another to give them tactical mobility. While the canon Zeta is a cargo shuttle mean to well carry cargo.
I don’t know why, but the almost-organic shape with the various arms and the “eyes” on the front made me think that this vessel wouldn’t look out of place as a Separatist unit which could for example carry the Supertank from the Second battle of Geonosis, the big OG-9 Homing Spider droids, AATs or Hailfire Droids for fast deployment.
So Fractal can the Zeta be on it own and be in ships that can’t carry the Chi or does it has to be with the Chi at all time?
It won’t have hyperdrive so it needs to be landed, but after that it’s independent as a surface/air vehicle. It’s really a tactical vehicle for repositioning stuff (and in SW tactical is basically a world, rather than systems and sectors).
OK well I was actually thinking more about deployed from the ship to a planet, like a Imperator while it is near the planet while the carryall was carrying a walker like the LAAT/c from a Acclamator. But I guess it is more sense for the Zeta to be with the Chi at all time.
A Zeta can deploy like that. There’s nothing specific about the Chi except that it’s a smaller hyper-capable platform.
Alright then anyway speaking of carrying I know you said the Zeta can almost carry all walkers expect the AT-SP but what about the Juggernaut can it carry that or not?
No, not 1:1. I suppose it might be able to with several working together but I’m not sure if the geometry would allow an A6 to actually get grappled – it’d have to be tractor-beam based.
I see also the Juggernaut does have a great speed and mobility advantage over the walkers so it is fine getting in and out of the shield area on it own unless it is under-come major heavy fire from the enemy that would really threaten the Juggernaut that is.
Speaking of the LAAT/c are you going to make a LAAV/c later down the line or is the Zeta enough for the job unless both of them have different roles?
The LAAT/c is tiny – it would never be able to carry an AT-AT. So yeah, quite different roles.
Really even though the LAAT/c is 28.82 meters in length but the again the AT-AT is also 28 meters in length so I bet the LAAV/c you going to make in the future will be even bigger than the LAAT/c like around 35 meters in length to carry a AT-AT right?
Well Fractal I know the hypothetical LAAV/c won’t carry the AT-AT if it is the same size as the LAAV/i but it would carry repulsortanks like the broadsword and it possible variants you mention right?
Sorta looks like this was subcontracted out to the Colicoids to help meet Imperial demands
So Fractal would it be possible to make a smaller carryall variant that handle small walkers (AT-ST, AT-PT & AT-DP) & light repulsor tanks (TX130T Fighter tank) quicker than the Zeta or not because the Zeta can do that find enough?
Small biped walkers & light/medium repulsor armor can probably get packed onto something like a Star Galleon or fast dropship & just file off that in rapid order.
Something like an AT-ST or TX-130 could just be carried around by the Imperial equivalent to the LAAT/c, but the TX-130 is fast enough to not really need such a transport while the AT-ST is more of a garrison/scout/patrol vehicle that wouldn’t require air mobility that often.
Sounds about right-I was mostly musing in terms of rapid initial mass deployment. Come to think of it, First Order-updated -STs could probably sprint to most fronts in lieu of whistling up a LAAT. Unless we’re talking a Clone Wars/Dark Empire!Coruscant-scope clusterkriff.
It *can* but I doubt it’d be the most efficient at that. Probably a smaller transport. I’m pretty sure I can find an arrangement of 3 legs that could stably grapple a small walker, but then you’re using a fairly large craft to move very small cargoes. Not efficient.
My thinking for the Zeta is based on this idea that *big* walkers are designed to breach shielded perimeters. But once they get in they are stuck with horrible mobility. So they need basically a ground contact-capable dropship. From there it was a small jump to using legs that could grapple cargoes. The dropship walks in, then repositions the walkers that also walked into from outside the shield.
OK then so this carryall will be the only carryall you create then right?
/revision/latest?cb=20060822075019
Speaking of transport there was a modified Sentinel class landing craft called the imperial loader shuttle which carry a container carried with either a AT-ST or a AT-PT and they only appear in the rogue squadron games both 2 & 3.
Here what they look like:
That’s one doozy of a ventral load for something Sentinel-sized-and talk about needing plus-height ceilings on one’s mothership. I get the impression something with enough horizontal footprint to drop a full light walker/repusortank squad would be somewhat handier.
Part of the inspiration for the carryall is that it can reposition loads FAST. A dropship would need to wait for a walker to walk on (and just the right way if the clearances are tight). A Zeta hovers, clamps on and activates tensors/tractor fields and then off it goes. A dropship also would have a hard time doing this under a shield, since most dropships can’t walk/roll across the shield perimeter, but a walker-turned-dropship can.
Fair enough for medium & heavy armor; I was just wondering if lighter units might find it easier to deploy en masse from something corvette-scale or bigger, spread out just prior to shield-border entry & do their own positioning afterward (‘specially repulsorcraft).
Between the grasping arms, elegantly folding wing stubs & narrow viewport ‘eyes’, Zeta is one delightfully arthropod-evocative transport; if retconned into ESB’s Hoth sequences Special Edition(R) style, these hauler bugs would’ve complemented the probe droid aesthetic with panache.
Fractal,
I thoroughly enjoy your models and have pointed numerous people to your site to admire your ships. Slightly off topic for this particular model, but what is the possibility you could do an update on your first model, the executor? I have searched around the web and shockingly, there is very little in the way of well made SSD Executor art. Most are either screen shots of games, LEGO, or drawings. It would be greatly appreciated.
thank you
Much as I’d love an Executor update myself, that’s really too much of an undertaking for our host *not* to be amply compensated. Force knows too many official SW sources & spinoffs (pre-and post-Disneyboot) have flat-out lifted his stuff sans credit (including his initial Ex mesh for a Family Guy(C) parody, of all things).
Many fan artists have, too.
I would speculate that were Fractal to do it again – he’d probably use Wookieepedia’s “Executor from above” as a starting point, to ensure that the length-to-width ratio is correct.
Points in full on (a) fellow modellers hopping the derivative train and (b) the issues renderers have with stuff like Big E’s fantail/ventral cavity/cortex proportions. Lotta ship with just enough extra angles to further confuse.
Would it be possible for the Vehicle being carried to be in use, i.e firing, while it was being carried?
As long as the recoil of the guns wasn’t extreme, sure.
I can’t help but ask myself why not permanently fixing that AT-AT body to the carryall and doing away with all those legs…
Well, in that case you might as well just use a purpose-built gunship, imho.
This is to move the AT-AT around, not to make the carryall heavily armed. It’s a way to move things rapidly that themselves can’t move that fast.
Inadequate armor is probably the best explanation.
…Although they might still do away with the legs and install shield generators instead.
I do like walkers, though.
I could see some extra-broke Rebel/pirate/smuggler doing just that after a lucky scrapyard find. Plus, nice flat dorsal surface to slap some graffiti on.